I guess we have nothing to say to each other then. I assure you that I have thought much more about this and have read much more about it than you probably have.
Freedom=no pensions for police and fire is quite a leap of logic.
I guess you have trouble with the English language too. Freedom as I used it means that PRIVATE individuals and groups can do whatever they want, including establish their own pension agreements. FORCING me to pay YOUR pension isn't quite freedom. It's tyranny.
ML/NJ
Then is your issue confiscatory taxes in general, or do you think paying some nominal taxes are okay as long as it’s spent the way you want it spent?