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To: fr_freak

I agree, legalization would probably not increase drug cartel share. Legalizing pot will not likely increase pot consumption. I live in Los Angeles where pot clinics are nearly ubiquitous (the city has been fighting in the courts to limit the number of establishments but so far every win has been stayed by the courts). It doesn’t matter which one you go to, the list prices are virtually the same.

What legalization will do is push the cartel supply into the mainstream. At first, that may actually cause a shortage as new retailers come online leaving less MJ available per retail establishment. It could make an intersting economic study maybe you and I should work on :-)

If the price of an ounce dropped $100 due to the introduction of competition, I would argue that this was likely a result of reduced retail profit margins than any reduction in wholesale price. The monopolist as you note charges higher prices. Yet even from a macro view, without an increase in supply the price is not likely to drop much. Yes, retailers could sell for little to no profit. If your business is built on selling MJ in a clinic or co-op (and for what it is worth, most of L.A.’s retailers are not growing but buying and reselling) you need profit. If you are a 7-11 franchise you make all your profit on other goods, adding MJ to your product mix can be done at almost no margin as selling pot will likely increase sales of hot dogs and slurpees and cheeto’s.

So I do agree that retail price may drop after passage of Prop 19 due to lowered retail margins but this is probably not going to cause a reduction in wholesale prices. Prop 19 would threaten the existence of all the co-ops, though as an aside I wonder whether a state court challenge against the tax for medical purposes would succeed. In other words, could the co-ops selling only to “prescribed users” continue to sell tax-free “medical pot”, whereas other stores would have to charge tax for “recreational pot”.

If in the end pricing pressure hits the wholesale level, there is an increased possibility of violence between and among cartels. We agree that it is not likely that a large-scale licensed grow operation will go online. That leaves the supply to the cartels and to the now permitted home-growers who will likely discreetly sell or consume their own harvest. Will this home-grown supply put a dent into the demand such that the cartels will feel the price pressure? I don’t believe it will, but I agree it is possible in time. And the more it does, the more pressure the cartels will be to monopolize the mainline distribution.

And taking it to a not-so-extreme level, it is possible that we will start seeing more consistent strains of MJ and even more formal types of “brands” as marketers try to profit from the new law. If so, it is likely that ‘brand name’ pot will come with a price premium. We can’t discount the power of branding and/or name recognition, and among consumers of MJ there is likely to be a desire for consistency.


26 posted on 10/15/2010 12:17:31 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
What legalization will do is push the cartel supply into the mainstream.

I'm not sure why you would think that. Perhaps if pot were legalized and everyone and their brother began selling it in the mom and pop stores, there might be enough of a supply shortage to tempt some people into buying cartel pot, but for the most part, I think that people would grow their own, or buy from other people they know who grow their own. For example, I have friends in the notorious Humboldt County, and there is, almost literally, a garden in every closet up there. If pot were fully legalized, I can only imagine these people would grow more, not less, and those who didn't want to go through the hassle of growing would buy it from their buddies who do. That is the key: the ease with which pot is produced. I can't imagine why anyone would bother getting pot from a criminal organization when they can get it at home or from their next door neighbor. The cartels would be forced to shift their California business to other drugs like meth or coke, or sell to other locations where pot is still illegal.

Of course, the ease with which pot is produced also means that the state's dreams of reaping huge tax benefits from pot sales are probably just, eh, pipe dreams. The underground economy established over years of prohibition will allow sales under the table to go full throttle.
34 posted on 10/15/2010 2:31:24 PM PDT by fr_freak
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