Posted on 09/30/2010 1:39:17 PM PDT by jazusamo
Now that is an amnesty I could agree to.
If we run out of welfare parasites, can send trial lawyers instead?
re: So many different things could be meant by “amnesty”
You are right. When amnesty is given for parking tickets or state or local taxes it sometimes means everything is forgiven and forgotten. And sometimes it means the fines and penalties are waived but the base amount must be paid. And sometimes it means the base amount is discouonted so the delinquent person need only pay pennies on the dollar.
Likewise with immigration. Most amnesty plans have built in penalties that the immigrant must pay in order to receive amnesty. But some amnesty supporters would waive all penalties. And a few amnesty supporters would waive not only penalties, but a share of routine taxes owed that are not penalties.
A big distinction is between capitalist amnesty supporters like me who oppose any welfare (by whatever name) to immigrants, legal or illegal. No immigrant should come here to be a parasite.
Another big distinction is between those who would base policy on
- the number of immigrants or
- the skill level/education/income of immigrants or
- the character of immigrants.
There are many illegals from the old soviet bloc who have low moral character. They run internet scams, ID theft, prostitution and abortion mills. Then there are the drug traffickers of course. Then there are the common criminals, murderers, rapists, DUI drivers, etc.
The capitalist who favors amnesty (like me) opposes amnesty for those of low moral character, which includes parasites.
The same is true on the anti-illegal side. Some people who are anti-illegal only focus on those who enter illegally. But most illegals (eg Rupert Murdoch) enter legally and then become illegal. A few who are anti-illegal are racist, which gives a bad image to the majority of anti-illegal voices who are not racist.
One reason nothing much happens on the issue is that most voices on the issue want to lie and say there are only two positions when in fact there are dozens of positions on the issue.
True, and it should be made by our government they can't work without being here legally, and no welfare.
No.
“Creating a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants will strengthen our economy,” said Bloomberg."
I'll do you one better Nimrod, deport that Illegal whose contributing soo much and give that job to an American citizen. Win, Win. The citizen is off unemployment/welfare and doing his part to "strengthen our economy".
"...Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, testified that the economic losses caused by illegal immigrants outweighed the benefits."
He's also testified that same effect is felt by legal immigration. It illustrates why legal immigration needs to be limited to sustainable numbers.
There are no “law-abiding illegals” in this country, dumbass Rupert!!
Otherwise he'd been behind 1.4 billion Hindus and others from the British Commonwealth.
He favors just taking stuff. The Mexican government would see through him in a second.
Go put a shrimp on the “BarBie” Murdoch and STFU.
“Murdoch cited a study . . .” but did not identify the study.
I am citing a “study” that shows each illegal alien cost $1,745,500 per year and the cost of repatriating them is only $453 each. This study also has accurately calculated the number of illegal aliens at 37,776,943, including 23,233,638 Mexicans, 2,887,564 El Salvadorans, $1,292,333 Irish (go to any bar in Boston or New York), and 2 Andorrans.
The 240,515 busses that brought them here in a convoy 1821 miles long are ready to take them back. There must be such a convoy because the amnestybots all use these numbers to ridicule anyone who wants to send them back, thereby implying that a like number must have brought them here.
Also, Murdoch and Bloomberg are quite welcoming as neighbors to the overcrowded illegal alien dorm homes with the 12 ladder trucks in front of their houses and the salsa music blaring at 3 AM and the MS13 graffitti on their fences that neighbor on these two morons’ mansions.
If anyone needed an example of the “ruling class” and the “country people”, it’s these two.
Mind Australia’s business, Rupert, and we’ll mind our own. O.K.?
Shows us once against what a great country we live in, even a drooling half wit can become a bilionaire in America.
Yeah, because “lets grant amnesty then seal the borders” worked so well when Reagan tried it.
Well... Okay.
I don’t have to watch Fox News either.
I am done with all the network news.
If it ain’t on the internet then I just don’t care anymore.
Too bad, I was kinda liking Beck’s program.
I will just take it off series recording and be done with it.
Idiotic One Worlder.
Sure you do.
If you are here illegally you cannot be "law abiding". WTbleep is this dude smoking?
Law abiding illegals are an oxymoron, they are all criminals.
Exactly - how does someone who has broken numerous laws to come into, live and work in this country consider themselves to be law-abiding?
Amnesty for for “law abiding” illegal immigrants?
No problemo! Grant amnesty to all you can find.
Because by definition there is no such animal.
You might say that “law abiding” illegal immigrant is an oxymoron for morons.
How can you be law abiding while breaking the law at the same time?
“Oxymoron, anyone?”
From a bunch of really “bright” morons.
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