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Rove Returns, With Team, Planning G.O.P. Push
New York Times ^ | September 25, 2010 | Jim Rutenberg

Posted on 09/26/2010 1:37:29 PM PDT by no dems

In 2004, the Republican master strategist Karl Rove led weekly sessions at his Washington residence where he planned the re-election of President George W. Bush.

In April, Mr. Rove summoned several of the important players behind Mr. Bush’s ascendance to his home once again, this time to draw up plans to push a Republican resurgence.

The landscape has changed, with Mr. Rove at times clashing with potent new Tea Party-style activists, some of whom view him as a face of the old party establishment they want to upend.

Already a prominent presence as an analyst on Fox News Channel and a columnist at The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Rove is also playing a leading role in building what amounts to a shadow Republican Party, a network of donors and operatives that is among the most aggressive in the Republican effort to capture control of the House and the Senate.

He has had a major hand in helping to summon the old coalition of millionaires and billionaires who supported Mr. Bush and have huge financial stakes in regulatory and tax policy, like Harold C. Simmons, a Texas billionaire; Carl H. Lindner Jr., a Cincinnati businessman; and Robert B. Rowling, whose TRT Holdings owns Omni Hotels and Gold’s Gym.

With $32 million and counting, they are now filling the void created by the diminished condition of the Republican National Committee, which has faced fund-raising difficulties under its embattled chairman, Michael Steele.

“A lot of what we’re doing would normally be done with the R.N.C.,” said Ms. Cheney, who is part of a group, the Alliance for America’s Future, that is working with the organizations Mr. Rove helped start on encouraging early voting in House races this fall. “There’s no money there.”

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That's a lot of "RINO money"
1 posted on 09/26/2010 1:37:32 PM PDT by no dems
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To: no dems


“DeMint’s got a committee to get me off the block
‘Cause I say my smears loud and I say ‘em nonstop
Because being a RINO is what I’m all about
I shilled for Mike Castle and I got thrown out!”
 

2 posted on 09/26/2010 1:39:03 PM PDT by counterpunch (Life in Prison: The RINO compromise to "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death")
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To: no dems

Tokyo Rove will become a detriment now and in the future...

Too bad RINOs don’t yet understand, but I’m sure they will by 2012...


3 posted on 09/26/2010 1:40:10 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: no dems

I’m outraged. I don’t know what I’m outraged about, though. Did Rove call O’Donnell unelectable?


4 posted on 09/26/2010 1:41:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: counterpunch

With apologies to the Beastie Boys...


5 posted on 09/26/2010 1:41:45 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: no dems
Don't know why it didn't show up in search, but this same article has a thread that's in action here..
6 posted on 09/26/2010 1:42:34 PM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: no dems

Oh good, he’s going to campaign for O’Donnell, to help make sure we get a majority in the eSeante.

Chuckle.


7 posted on 09/26/2010 1:42:47 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years)
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To: Deagle

From your lips. This guy is not a master strategist. Far from it.

Rove be gone!


8 posted on 09/26/2010 1:44:50 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: no dems

Thank God the calvery is here. What would we ever do without these geniuses to save the day.


9 posted on 09/26/2010 1:45:09 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA
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To: Fantasywriter

He pretty much ranks up there with Carville (who was a master strategist), as a strategist . . . if you don’t think so, then you’re not looking at it rationally.


10 posted on 09/26/2010 1:49:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: skeeter

I think you’re the first to name the original source.


11 posted on 09/26/2010 1:49:42 PM PDT by counterpunch (Life in Prison: The RINO compromise to "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death")
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To: no dems

The GOP needs to rid itself of brain-dead Open Borders, Liberal Globalists like Rove.

It is obvious Rove is no conservative....and only a fool would give Rove any credence.


12 posted on 09/26/2010 1:51:53 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (They don't let you build churches in Mecca)
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To: no dems
IMHO under Bush, he was almost as bad as the current Dems. Bush was better on terrorism, just about the same on closing the southern border, and not as bad, but still bad, on deficit spending.

My unstudied opinion is that under both Presidents there are lots of vultures feeding on the crumbling body of the US and consequently making great profits out of our chaos. This is what has to be stopped. Ultimately, the cost may be very high to reestablish the Constitution as our ruling document.

The US has to be reestablished as the preeminent economic power in the World. From this will flow a strong scientific base. The combination of military and scientific strength will lead to a revived US.

All of this has to be combined with a spiritual revival which eliminates the neo-paganism which has subverted this country.

13 posted on 09/26/2010 1:53:16 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: no dems

Maybe Michael Steele has had to endure some of this back-room meddling.

The GOP *heavy weights* need to get their act cleaned up or cleaned out.


14 posted on 09/26/2010 1:53:42 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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"The landscape has changed, with Mr. Rove at times clashing with potent new Tea Party-style activists"


15 posted on 09/26/2010 1:53:50 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: no dems

Tae your RINOs and go to hell Rove!


16 posted on 09/26/2010 1:54:40 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Exactly. The Rove’s of the world think the key to electoral success is being just a bit to the right of the Democrat and to seem reasonable.

What he doesn’t understand is that he may win a battle but they win the war.


17 posted on 09/26/2010 1:58:40 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi
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To: counterpunch

A lotta freepers think Karl’s the only one with fresh rhymes.


18 posted on 09/26/2010 2:01:17 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

You know, to be fair, his mindset was probably valid before the age of the internet when the story by the Leftist press was the only story. Now, in today’s world of the internet and the Tea Party, the Republican Party doesn’t have to seem reasonable to the press in order for the American people to think it’s reasonable.


19 posted on 09/26/2010 2:01:25 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi
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To: no dems
“A lot of what we’re doing would normally be done with the R.N.C.,” said Ms. Cheney, who is part of a group, the Alliance for America’s Future, that is working with the organizations Mr. Rove helped start on encouraging early voting in House races this fall. “There’s no money there.”

This quote warmed my heart. Money is going to individual candidates, not to RINO HQ. So now Rove is creating a replacement for the RNC, but that won't change anything. It is still the grass roots (We, the People) versus the elitist establishment (Rove and his billionaire buddies). My money's on us.
20 posted on 09/26/2010 2:01:27 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Fantasywriter

This guy is not a master strategist. Far from it.


You are spot on. Rove never managed a winning campaign in all his years and attempts.


21 posted on 09/26/2010 2:02:40 PM PDT by deport
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To: no dems

This is going to be such a BIG flop, and it will be proved in November, or at least PHASE ONE of it will.
NO amount of money, no high-profile fundraising, and no amount of publicity it generates is going to have ONE IOTA of effect on the next big upcoming vote.
The Rove Team, and all its adherents and acolytes will finally, and transparently JOIN THE DEMOCRATS, and THAT , even though they’d never express it as such, is where the New Majority will come from.....a finding of common cause with the Left, who will only ‘moderate’ and move about two degrees to the “right”, where they will find Rove and his
Ruling CLass Elites, still calling themselves “Republicans”.


22 posted on 09/26/2010 2:04:09 PM PDT by supremedoctrine (Come closer. I want to get a better look at you.)
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To: 1rudeboy

When you consider how weak Gore and Kerry were as candidates, those elections shouldn’t have been even close to close. Lee Atwater was a master strategist. Rove is not in his league.


23 posted on 09/26/2010 2:06:40 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
Be sure to read Rove’s new book: ‘From The Castle To The Dungeon’.
24 posted on 09/26/2010 2:06:52 PM PDT by JPG (Sarah Palin says: "Buck-up or get out of the truck.")
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To: supremedoctrine

The Republican Party as Rove knows it is dead. By 2012, the GOP will be begging the Tea Party for help.


25 posted on 09/26/2010 2:07:58 PM PDT by datura (RINOs are nothing but Democrats in drag..)
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To: Fantasywriter

I’m afraid that you subscribe to an alternate reality. Gore was the VP to a “successful” President, and Kerry and the press played it, well, the best they could.


26 posted on 09/26/2010 2:08:44 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: deport

I don’t get the mythos surrounding Rove. What great political strategy did he ever formulate? The concept that Republicans he doesn’t like (read O’Donnell) should be attacked more harshly than Rove ever attacked a Dem in his life? That doesn’t make sense on any level.

Rove was blessed with weak opponents, and didn’t even make the most of that situation. He had the idea Amnesty would be a winning idea, too. How’s that working out for you, Rove? As popular as ever, I see.


27 posted on 09/26/2010 2:10:00 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: 1rudeboy

Thanks for the insult. I found it unconvincing.


28 posted on 09/26/2010 2:11:18 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: no dems

They’re putting more work into squashing the real conservative candidates and getting the old guard power back. I do believe that is now the agenda.


29 posted on 09/26/2010 2:11:28 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: onyx

Oops! Sorry.


30 posted on 09/26/2010 2:11:49 PM PDT by no dems (DeMINT / PALIN 2012 or PALIN / DeMINT 2012.......Either is fine with me!)
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To: onyx

The first was posted at 6:53 this morning; just didn’t see it.


31 posted on 09/26/2010 2:13:23 PM PDT by no dems (DeMINT / PALIN 2012 or PALIN / DeMINT 2012.......Either is fine with me!)
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To: Fantasywriter

No problem, I’m sure that your portfolio is full of candidates that could’ve beaten Gore in ‘00 and Kerry in ‘04.


32 posted on 09/26/2010 2:13:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

He pretty much ranks up there with Carville (who was a master strategist), as a strategist . . . if you don’t think so, then you’re not looking at it rationally.

I see it that way too. When Karl Rove stands before the nation via whatever pulpit he has wedged himself into, and says:

"I am for the drastic reduction of a corrupted federal government's control over the responsible taxpaying individuals of this nation and their associated communities. One profound way to do this is simply cut the money and regulatory power flowing into that central government's coffers and its arbitrary political parties; another way is to systematically replace corrupted establishment politicians; and thirdly and most important, is to stand up for our responsible self reliant citizens and protect them from the irresponsible."

Then, I'll believe Karl Rove is worth a HS graduate. As you say, at the Institute we never recognized him as anything other than a party marionette.

On the other hand this article by the NYT is simply an opportunistic dig at the Republican Party.

Johnny Suntrade

33 posted on 09/26/2010 2:15:41 PM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: no dems

No reason for you to be sorry at all. It doesn’t show up in search! I am on the other thread and I started to answer on yours and I thought “huh?” LOL.


34 posted on 09/26/2010 2:17:23 PM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Fantasywriter

As I said you are spot on. Rove never had a winning campaign for any of his candidates in all his years of managing campaigns.


35 posted on 09/26/2010 2:22:46 PM PDT by deport
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To: 1rudeboy
Too many cooks in the kitchen maybe...but I always believe two heads are better than one...and experience is an asset.

Look who Obie's been hanging with...the Chicago thugs and Bubba.

36 posted on 09/26/2010 2:27:57 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Sacajaweau

It’s just a pet peeve of mine, sorry . . . the guy is paid to get his boss elected. Too simple for some to understand, I suppose.


37 posted on 09/26/2010 2:30:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: deport

Yeah, sure. Rove was so stupid that he developed the doctrine of going after an opposing candidate’s strongest points, which was a direct break from Carville.


38 posted on 09/26/2010 2:33:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: deport

I did not know that about Rove and his record. That’s one thing I love about FR: it’s teeming with well informed people, and I learn new things all the time.

I’ll tell you the exact day I formed my most lasting impression of Rove. He was on FOX, talking in awestruck tones about some illegal immigrant who had graduated at the top of her high school class. He said he was going to start keeping a data base of similar amazing illegals, as an argument for Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

I was screaming at the TV: ‘Keep a list of all the illegals who murder, maim, rape and rob us, while you’re at it!!!’

If he had heard me shouting, it wouldn’t have affected him one scintilla. He doesn’t care what the ‘little people’ think. He is smarter than we are, you see. Or so he thinks, and so too, evidently, do his supporters.


39 posted on 09/26/2010 2:34:51 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

Ah, yes . . . the fictitious Rove interview. Always works.


40 posted on 09/26/2010 2:37:06 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: no dems
The establishment will do anything to win. Lie, cheat, kill, anything. I am not sure The Tea Party can match their viciousness, organization, or backing by the people who actually control this country, the bankers.
41 posted on 09/26/2010 2:38:49 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: 1rudeboy

If anyone takes the time to read Rove’s book Courage and Consequence, they could dispel some of their wrong thinking about him. His vocation is going to work for a candidate, playing up his strengths and courting votes. Rove has a great analytical mind, imo. That doesn’t mean he is infallible as in his “reaction” to O’Donnell’s win.


42 posted on 09/26/2010 2:39:58 PM PDT by upsdriver (The revolution begins on Nov. 2 to take back our country. The American people vs the ruling elite.)
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To: Deagle

I don’t want the old money, the old players, or Rove, get lost to all of them ...


43 posted on 09/26/2010 2:41:47 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: 1rudeboy
And 1rudeboy, RINO, establishment lover and banker shill chimes in!
44 posted on 09/26/2010 2:42:17 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: upsdriver

I’ve used this term before . . . he is, literally, a “hired gun.” You pay him to do stuff. You don’t pay him so that some acolytes can approve of him later.


45 posted on 09/26/2010 2:44:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: FightThePower!

What’s the matter, Ron Paul still polling below 1%?


46 posted on 09/26/2010 2:45:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
He pretty much ranks up there with Carville (who was a master strategist), as a strategist . . .

Rove's problem is thinking too much short term and not enough long term, with the 2004 election the perfect example. He did a great job defining Kerry, but when the election was won -- what then? Nothing. No platform, no mandate, no direction = two disastrous backlash elections.

47 posted on 09/26/2010 2:46:44 PM PDT by Crichton
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To: FightThePower!

Ref. your Post #41: Well, that’s a moot point now. The Primaries are over and the Establishment would never support a Dem over a Pubbie. They might not help the Pubbie, but they won’t help the Dem.


48 posted on 09/26/2010 2:50:46 PM PDT by no dems (DeMINT / PALIN 2012 or PALIN / DeMINT 2012.......Either is fine with me!)
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To: Crichton

Bush was the problem. He did not reduce the size of government. It’s that simple.


49 posted on 09/26/2010 2:53:20 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: StAnDeliver

He’d be the ultimate GOP strategist. “If you vote for Coons over O’Donnell, I am going to put both of my feet straight up your ass! Dumbass!”


50 posted on 09/26/2010 2:54:29 PM PDT by Rastus
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