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Apple Still Clueless in TV Land: Today's Outrage
Thestreet.com ^ | 08/25/10 | Scott Moritz

Posted on 08/25/2010 10:15:45 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- After two failed attempts to reinvent the set-top box and a go-nowhere monthly "best of TV" subscription plan, Apple(AAPL) is now hoping a buck-a-show rental service will be a winner. But so far, only Disney(DIS) seems willing to play along with Apple's idea to use iTunes to charge users 99 cents for two-day rentals of some TV shows, according to Bloomberg Businessweek and a number of follow-up reports.

Kudos to Apple for repeatedly banging its head against the TV industry, but unlike the sweeping success that iTunes was for the record business, video programming is an entirely different prospect. Apple, like others before including Microsoft(MSFT), Cisco(CSCO), TimeWarner(TWX) and AOL(AOL), had high hopes of building the ultimate bridge between the Net and TV. For Apple, which craves control and loathes the anarchy of Internet, the natural solution is to push an iTunes approach. But here's where Apple's plan hits the wall. Unlike music, where record companies had no way to sell songs in a market awash in free "stolen" tunes, the TV industry has not lost control of its programming. And more importantly, Internet broadcasts are a source of revenue. Under the existing system, users can watch current shows free on the networks' Web site or the industry's joint-venture site Hulu. The typical one-hour TV show has between four and seven ads that play during the program. Ads equal money.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: appletv; dsj; itv
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Anything that the new Apple TV can do, the XBOX 360 has been doing and doing better for years! Plus the XBOX 360 is now being used as a full fledged IPTV in countries like the UK (you can get live SKY satellite TV broadcasting on your XBOX 360 direct) and Canada. On top of all that, the 360 plays super games like MW2, Halo 3, Gears of War etc, which Apple TV can never play. And it all costs just $200 for an XBOX 360 Arcade console.
1 posted on 08/25/2010 10:15:47 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

the TV industry HAS lost control of the programs. Any episode of any show (recently) is available online.

Some orphan series are around but are pretty rare.


2 posted on 08/25/2010 10:19:49 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SmokingJoe

I hate the idea Apple feels the need to dictate it wants to control the internet. The way they control music with the iTunes crap I can’t believe people fall for Apple and their proprietary ways. Can you people not see this company as it is at it’s roots? It’s not a conservatively led company by any means and will go so far to say Jobs and co are liberals of the highest order and why would YOU want to support liberals like this by buying into their products/services. I may eat my words, but I will never own an i-Anything.


3 posted on 08/25/2010 10:22:45 AM PDT by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: Blue Highway

You would have to PAY ME to watch most of the television shows that are on today. Thank god for the Food Channel, History Cannel, Military Channel, and NASCAR.


4 posted on 08/25/2010 10:26:32 AM PDT by Wooly
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To: SmokingJoe

What they don’t understand is why people watch TV. You can do it all you want with no out of pocket expense.

You’re broke? Turn on the TV.
You’re bored? Turn on the TV.
Girlfiend Dump you? Turn on the TV.

I’ll never pay per show. I’ll go get another more interesting job.

Then I’ll be able to afford an even better girlfriend.


5 posted on 08/25/2010 10:28:45 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Swordmaker

ping


6 posted on 08/25/2010 10:30:05 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: SmokingJoe

Great! Now I can catch up on some of those Gilligan’s Island episodes I missed!...............


7 posted on 08/25/2010 10:30:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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And Apple's plans are to charge $0.99 per downloaded episode. A season of "The Big Bang" would cost you $24 with iTV, but you can typically pick up a DVD (with extra features, etc) for less than $15...

Way too expensive, especially when you compare to OTA (free) or cable ($40/month but tens of thousands of shows available). If your wife likes a soap opera and wants to see it via iTV, get ready for $22 per month for just that soap!

8 posted on 08/25/2010 10:39:10 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: longtermmemmory

I wish one of the networks or their affiliates would stream old episodes of “Wild Wild West”.

Loved that show when I was a kid, and there are probably episodes I missed.


9 posted on 08/25/2010 10:40:14 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: longtermmemmory
the TV industry HAS lost control of the programs. Any episode of any show (recently) is available online

Old TV shows like The Twilight Zone, The Lone Ranger, I Dream of Jeannie etc are all available online..but tightly controlled by the same old TV companies at sites like HULU. Any site that illegally makes them availabe for viewing is taken down by the TV companies sooner or later.
As for live TV shows which are shown illegally online, the TV companies take them doiwn very quickly. There have been so many sites that have shown Fox News live, only to be taken down by Fox's lawyers the moment they hear of the site. The TV companies are still very much in control of their programs.

10 posted on 08/25/2010 10:43:48 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: chrisser

I like that tv show also, but a couple of years ago I saw some of the episodes and I will tell you that it was so bad it was funny.


11 posted on 08/25/2010 10:44:06 AM PDT by Wooly
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“Plus the XBOX 360 is now being used as a full fledged IPTV in countries like the UK “

Sony has something similar to this for the PS3 in the UK. I really wish something like this would hit the USA. I am sick of having a cablebox ... it’s useless.

Then again, I am getting rid of cable once my contract expires. Netflix streaming and OTA HDTV is more than enough for me.


12 posted on 08/25/2010 10:44:22 AM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

And a bigger TV.


13 posted on 08/25/2010 10:47:33 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: SmokingJoe

Yeah, AppleTV seems more like a solution waiting for a problem than something that is actually useful. 720p and lacking anything extra that the game consoles can’t really provide makes it a very boring product.

I have a PS3(not trying to pick a fight) with netflix and have setup the media server to play movies off of any network enabled HD in the house. That doesn’t even include any games that I can also play. I can’t see the benefit of Apple TV personally.


14 posted on 08/25/2010 10:50:58 AM PDT by SengirV
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Unlike music, where record companies had no way to sell songs in a market awash in free "stolen" tunes

Nonsense. Record companies could have developed business models that work on the Internet (Apple did with iTunes); they simply chose not to.

This is probably one of those cases where the personal interests of senior management don't align with the overall interests of the companies they run. Managers have an incentive to cling to established ways as long as possible (it's less work and doesn't involve any action that can be singled out as cause for blame) and to let problems fester (ditto on the "less work" thing, and it creates another scapegoat -- "music pirates" in this case -- for anything that goes wrong).

15 posted on 08/25/2010 10:58:58 AM PDT by zort
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To: SmokingJoe

Apple has admitted they’re just playing around with the Apple TV. Strange for them to put out a product without a solid profitable plan for it in the larger ecosystem, and without anything really innovative to bring people to it.

If Apple’s now saying they’re serious, and this is all they’ve got, then they’re toast in this market.


16 posted on 08/25/2010 11:07:00 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SmokingJoe

so far the networks are entirely unsuccessful in preventing “alternate” distribution.


17 posted on 08/25/2010 11:08:33 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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The way they control music with the iTunes crap

How? When iTunes came out it was the most lenient legal music outlet. The labels required DRM, but Jobs got them to bend over backwards for fair use, such as copying to iPods, burning CDs and streaming to other computers. Later, after iTunes became a big music retailer, Jobs wrestled with the labels from a position of power to allow DRM-free music. The legal DRM-free music stores you see out there today exist because Jobs had already cracked the labels to allow it.

Jobs didn't do this out of any altruistic consideration for you though. He did it because DRM sucks and he didn't want his users to have to deal with it because it would lower their opinion of the company using it -- Apple.

At least Apple didn't consider you automatically a music pirate and give a portion of each iPod sale directly to the record labels. That was Microsoft, with the Zune.

why would YOU want to support liberals like this by buying into their products/services

Buy Windows, fund an abortion.

18 posted on 08/25/2010 11:15:08 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

And this does reek of greed doesn’t it. Apple wants to charge for anything. When will we get subscriptions for iAir? I probably will only afford the bottom tier allotment of 1 cubic foot of air per month for $29.99. Looks like I’ll have to start blowing up balloons in order to get some residual O2 from the exhaled carbon dioxide I can breathe back in once my allotment is up.


19 posted on 08/25/2010 11:23:50 AM PDT by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: longtermmemmory
so far the networks are entirely unsuccessful in preventing “alternate” distribution

Thats just the point. The networks control alternate distribution. HULU which is the biggest source of TV programs on the Internet, is controlled and owned by the networks. Sites like AOL TV {http://television.aol.com/in2tv} are also controlled by the networks. ESPN's online TV offerings, etc are also controlled by the networks(ABC owns ESPN).

20 posted on 08/25/2010 11:26:11 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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