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Which Islam Will Prevail in America?
National Review ^ | Andrew c. McCarthy

Posted on 08/21/2010 9:33:24 PM PDT by ventanax5

The real battle for religious freedom lurks beneath the Ground Zero mosque controversy. It is sadly ironic that our public debate presents the mosque proponents as the partisans of liberty: That includes everyone from imam Feisal Rauf, the project’s sharia-touting sponsor, to President Obama, Mayor Bloomberg, and the rest of the Islamist-smitten Left, to the GOP’s own anti-anti-terrorist wing. Yet, wittingly or not, when they champion this mosque and its sponsors, it is the agenda of an alien and authoritarian Islam that they champion — an Islam against which many American Muslims chafe.

When it comes to liberty, no one in this society has been given a wider berth than the Islamists, the purveyors of this authoritarian Islam, which is the mainstream Islam of the Middle East. Their vise grip on the American Muslim community has been cinched for two decades by the government, the media, and the academy. For our post-American ruling class, “Islamic outreach” means prostituting themselves for Saudi largesse; it means putting the “moderate” label on the Muslim Brotherhood — the Saudi-backed saboteurs whose American operatives boldly promise to “eliminate and destroy Western Civilization from within.”

The victims of this lethal charade include American Muslims. They, too, crave religious liberty and Western enlightenment. Our elites abandon them to the sharia-mongers. That freedom destroyers have been allowed to pose as freedom defenders ought to tell mosque opponents something: We have done a poor job of explaining the stakes.

In 1993, I headed up a prosecution team that was preparing to try the “Blind Sheikh” Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven other jihadists for conducting a terrorist war against the United States. The case revealed this country’s Muslim divide.

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1 posted on 08/21/2010 9:33:25 PM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

THere is only one, it requires everyone to submit or die.

The only thing that varies is how violent the muslim desires to be in bringing about (jihad) this stated goal from Allah.

2 posted on 08/21/2010 9:37:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: ventanax5

Whatever happened to separation of church and state?

3 posted on 08/21/2010 9:37:20 PM PDT by CommonJudge (Captions on, for the hearing impaired, haha)
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To: ventanax5

You know .. I’m getting .. Just a little pi$$ed over all the PC CRAP going around over ISLAM!

NO ISLAM AT ALL .. Would be good!

LOOK around the Damn World and SEE what ISLAM has done!


(I’ll go back to my meds now)

4 posted on 08/21/2010 9:39:20 PM PDT by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: ventanax5


5 posted on 08/21/2010 9:40:46 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: ventanax5

Which ONE?????????????? Nice try.

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult.

In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the > case in:

United States — Muslim 0..6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. In Russia, grade-schools were attacked. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, beheadings, stoning, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

Is this the future of the United States?

6 posted on 08/21/2010 9:41:39 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: ventanax5; Secret Agent Man
"The victims of this lethal charade include American Muslims. They, too, crave religious liberty and Western enlightenment."


Anybody who craves liberty of any kind, religious or civil, and/or enlightenment from any direction, by definition cannot be a Muslim.
7 posted on 08/21/2010 9:43:26 PM PDT by shibumi (Pablo is Miley- wily, clever and detractive as all get out!)
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To: ventanax5; plinyelder

Are there any countries in the world where any type of islam is prevalent that is not a repressive cesspool??

8 posted on 08/21/2010 9:45:09 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: ventanax5

Notice how “Lucky” we were to get a bit of that 10% in Kenya\s

9 posted on 08/21/2010 9:45:40 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: ventanax5

TV is controlled by 5 networks who own 99% off all the channels and they are all for: Imam O, The Victory Mosque and keep spewing the lie that the Imam O is a Christian.

The sports leagues NFL, NBA, MBL, NCAA and ESPN love the imam and drool over him between the dum white guy commericials. TV is the enemy and their major source of power.

Your monthly cable and sat TV bills keep them in power.

The question is will Americans decide on the clicker and sharia or tell TV to get screwed. My guess is they will pick sharia.

We already have a tax on non-muslims call the jinza in which muslims tax non-muslims in muslim countries.

ObamaCare taxes us and Muslims are exempt.

10 posted on 08/21/2010 9:45:58 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: plinyelder

Even the athiests support islam

11 posted on 08/21/2010 9:46:14 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: plinyelder
NO ISLAM AT ALL .. Would be good!

You got that right. Like communism, everyplace dominated by islam (lowercase intentional) soon becomes a backward third world dung heap. If it weren't for oil and our government's instance that we don't produce our own energy Saudi Arabia and the rest would be just as backward as Somalia and Bambi's home in Kenya. We don't need that here. You want to have your religious freedom, fine, but it stops at the mosque door. Nobody has a problem with you worshiping, just don't cram it down our throats like an 0bama health plan.

12 posted on 08/21/2010 9:47:48 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: ventanax5
I personally know two Muslims who are close to me. They are both very much against Terrorism. But the thing is... when the Muslims do finally take over, I don't really think the good moderate Muslims who would never harm or impose their will on anyone are going to be vocal in opposition to sharia and the like.

Yes they are good, kind, wonderful people - but when Islam takes over none of them are going to be opposing it.

And when Islam takes over, there goes our freedom and our whole western civilized lifestyle.

13 posted on 08/21/2010 9:49:20 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Chump Obama promised "Change" and we got chump change.)
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(American Muslims) crave religious liberty and Western enlightenment

No they don't. This isn't about immigration to find a better life. Its about Arab/Muslim colonialism. We are the colony. Everything politicians such as Bloomberg does makes sense if seen as similar to 19th century British colonialism in Africa and India. First came the economic interests. They paid off the local leaders to keep the natives under control. They took control of the media. Then came the missionaries who expanded and solidified the economic interests.

14 posted on 08/21/2010 9:50:37 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: ventanax5

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid
qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and
proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity
is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages
248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

15 posted on 08/21/2010 9:51:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don't need a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber.)
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To: ventanax5

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren´t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That´s war. And this is war.” Ann Coulter writing about terrorists in her column the day after the 9/11 attacks

“Congress could pass a law tomorrow requiring that all aliens from Arabic countries leave....We should require passports to fly domestically. Passports can be forged, but they can also be checked with the home country in case of any suspicious-looking swarthy males.” Ann Coulter writing in her column again

“I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.” Ann Coulter writing in her column on 21/12/05

“Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” Ann Coulter writing in her column on 28/09/01 (she has obviously never heard of the IRA or ETA)

16 posted on 08/21/2010 9:57:24 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: ventanax5
Islam's three components, Armed militarism, Sharia Law and religion are inseperable.
Ever try to separate the three ingredients in gunpowder?

Eliminate the two components that are eternally incompatible with our present Constitution, and it is no longer islam. No matter how many verbal and legal gymnastics the sandmaggot lovers try to foist on Americans.

So, no, islam can never take meaningful root in the United States.

It's them or us.
I pick us.

17 posted on 08/21/2010 9:57:50 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: ventanax5

Has anyone considered putting this in a different light?

What if those friendly clean courteous Jehovah Witnesses that come knocking on your door had a historical past of cutting off your head if you decided to not be one of them?

Or the Mormons on the bicycles were instead using them as a means to carry explosives into crowds?

Hardly any religion that comes into mind in recent 1st or even 3rd world countries has so much violence and restrictions as Islam, you are literally forced into it from birth, your destiny is sealed forever according to them.

This is a truly unacceptable way of life, it goes against every single immigrant coming into the USA since the Pilgrims, or even before possibly.

This is a death cult for our future generations, if they are not stopped now those mosques will evolve into temples that have loudspeakers triggering a call for the human cattle to enter, and to be consumed.

Yes I am still referring to the original 1960’s movie, “The Time Machine” where the Morlocks were humanity driven underground and a caste developed the need to feed upon the weak which were the Eloi that were conditioned to surrender, to never fight back.

My future generation will not become Eloi if I have anything to say or do about it, Islam will not dominate my destiny. Or Islamic leaders that lie and are taught how to lie as part of their training.

18 posted on 08/21/2010 10:03:06 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Cheetahcat

“Is this the future of the United States?”

The short answer is “NO!”

Sooner or later America will awaken and play “Cowboys & Muslims”.

The game will be world wide. For us, a video game. For the Muslims, a war to the last Muslim.

The Muslim world would be well advised to ask American Indians about playing “Cowboys & Indians”, then extrapolate.

19 posted on 08/21/2010 10:03:12 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: ventanax5
We have one big advantage: Europe. They're headed down the path of Islam, and one would hope that as we see the horror of that begin to unfold, we'll take note. If these things happen in the Sudan, no one here cares. When the Eiffel Tower and London's Clock Tower (the one with the Big Ben bell) are turned into minarets, people here will take notice.

France is already badly infested with Muslims, many of whom have no skills or jobs and therefore commit crimes. To some degree, I feel some pity because France welcomed them with open arms into a country with chronic 10%-12% unemployment. They came, found no work, a hostile public, and they lived off welfare, and their failure turned to bitterness. The French were idiots to think the Muslims could fit in. No two groups of people are more diametrically opposed in ideology. Well, maybe the Dutch even more so, and look how that is turning out.

We in the West are playing this pretend game that culture doesn't really matter. It does, and Muslim immigration should be pretty close to 0%. I have known decent Muslims personally, but but we simply cannot trust Islam. Too many practice taqiyya (lying in the name of Islam) in order to make us think they are moderates.

20 posted on 08/21/2010 10:04:47 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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