Posted on 08/16/2010 9:34:44 AM PDT by LonelyCon
A natural born citizen is anyone who is a citizen by right of birth rather than by process of naturalization. The term thus covers anyone born on the US, or born anywhere to a US citizen.
If born overseas, it is generally held to require two citizen parents. For those born in the USA, citizen parents are not required.
I remember that. Yes indeed. It kind of jumped out like a “this is turning a big corner here...”.
Note flotsam’s signup date.
I included the discussion preceding the often cited exchange to add context.
Before what is posted below, there was a lot of details about court funding in general, but there was also some light hearted exchanges about the Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees. The atmosphere at the meeting was congenial and jovial.
There was no discussion of Obama, and there is no way of knowing if Thomas was thinking of the president or his eligibility. However, it is obvious from the transcript that Chairman Serrano was joking about his own eligibility to be president because of his Puerto Rican birth...and that is what Justice Thomas was responding to.
SERRANO: You know it's interesting, Justice Thomas, when you say it's a humbling experience. I'll tell you a quick experience that I had.
I represent, as you know, the South Bronx. And there’re a lot of immigrants in the South Bronx. There’re a lot of folks with English as a second language, a lot of poor folks, a lot of folks with little education. And so even explaining on a daily basis after 20 years in Congress what it is a member of Congress does, it's a daily routine for me either in the school, in the community center or on the street.
When Sonia Sotomayor was being considered, granted that a lot of the excitement was the fact that she was a woman from the Bronx, that she was a Hispanic woman, that her parents were from Puerto Rico. But there was no explanation on my part as to what she was being nominated for. Everybody understood la Corte Suprema (ph - Spanish).
You know it was as if they knew that this was huge. This was big. This was important. This was a coming of age for the community. And it became something where everywhere I went, you want to make sure this happens. So I say oh, yes, I spoke to the Senate; it's a done deal you know.
But the importance, I've told you in the past, much to the dismay of some of my friends on the left, but I feel a little uneasy about having a hearing for the Supreme Court because of the respect I have for the court. I don't always agree with its decisions, but I have a respect for it.
So it's humbling, but the public understands. The public understands the importance of what you do and the bearing it has on the future of our country. And so we always thank you for your service and tell the other seven that we do the same.
THOMAS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And it's always an honor being here. You and I have been at this together for a decade and a half. And...
SERRANO: I'm glad to hear that you don't think there has to be a judge on the court because I'm not a judge. I have never been a judge.
THOMAS: And you don't have to be born in the United States. You never have to answer that question.
SERRANO: Oh really?
THOMAS: Yes.
SERRANO: So you haven't answered the one about whether I can serve as president, but you answer this one.
THOMAS: We're evading that one. We're giving you another option.
SERRANO: Thanks a lot.
THOMAS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
SERRANO: Ms. Emerson?
In context, there is vary little indication that it had anything to do with Obama.
Now you’re saying a natural born citizen can have TWO alien parents? Next you’ll be saying a NBC can be dropped on US soil by two illegals, taken to another country to be raised after his first breath, and still be a NBC.
You apparently have no shame whatsoever.
upheld is the wrong word.
it is denied to review.
from the interviews of taitz, she was a bit (a lot) off the deep end.
I sent this to “detritis and Mr. Rogers under private reply.
It seems that it’s necessary to publish it.
For your enlightenment:
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec1.html
Check out Paragraph 5 specifically.
Then check this link out citing Vattel’s Law of Nations
http://www.thebirthers.org/USC/Vattel.html
Read, specifically the second sentence of Para. 212 which I copy and paste here stating very clearly that the Citizens referred to are two in number i.e. plural.. “Citizens”
§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
I hope this clears things up.
You know the old saying - “None so blind as he who does not wish to see”.
Applies in spades here.
Wow. This is new to me. The denials aren’t actually signed by any of the justices? Am I hearing you right? Is there a site which shows the documentation on this?
We’ve already got the HDOH, Social Security Administration, Selective Service Administration, Passport Office, and State Department complicit in either forgeries themselves or covering for somebody else’s forgeries and/or illegal alterations of records.
Now the SCOTUS clerks are falsifying records also, and/or bypassing the required procedures/signatures also?
And all this is just in regards to the records for Obama that are all supposedly on the up-and-up. Won’t go into the newspaper birth announcements just yet, but suffice it to say there’s crookedness involved in that too.
Does anybody besides me see a pattern here? At what point do we begin to wonder how ALL these government bodies can be this corrupt without ANYBODY being willing or able to do anything about it?
Don't deny it you are in favor of foreign rulers setting up dictatorships by child proxy.
Isn't that EXACTLY what is going on now?
Didn’t some clown try this to avoid being sent to Iraq on the grounds that Bush wasn’t really President because “he stole the election”?
I don’t know. Michael New refused to some things back in the 90s regarding UN uniforms and maybe command. I don’t remember the details but I think he lost all appeals.
Awesome!
Now, get an actual court of law to agree with you.
“Does anybody besides me see a pattern here?”
Patterns tend to mean what we want them to mean.
What is there about this being Tatiz’s personal case, fighting the sanction against her, and NOT about Obama’s eligibility or birth certificate that posters here aren’t getting?
Frankly, she begged for that sanction. It has nothing to do with any biases or the political orientation of any of the justices. She ‘shopped’ the 2 most conservative justices on the court and both rejected her appeal. She never had a leg to stand on.
Her appeals against the personal $20K sanction are over. All the sympathetic posters should go to her website and donate. She has to pay it. Period. She will be lucky not to lose her license to practice in CA.
“So you deniers of NBC, are all in favor of electing the son of Adolph, Stalin, Mao, or Bin Laden.
Don’t deny it you are in favor of foreign rulers setting up dictatorships by child proxy.”
I’ve seen some hyperbolic craziness in my day. But you, you will be awarded the cake.
I didn't know that about you guys. Wow. You're evil. ;0)
Uh - there is this little thing called “objective reality”.
Meh, it’s just part of the job.
How does the worldview of: “If things do not go your way, it must be due to a ginormous conspiracy!” fit into objective reality?
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