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Administration document reveals big change in federal land management
KSL News 5 ^ | 8/5/2010 | Sarah Dallof

Posted on 08/06/2010 4:46:37 AM PDT by Outside da Box

"Of the 264 million acres under BLM management, some 130- to 140-million acres are worthy of consideration as treasured lands. These areas [are] roughly equivalent in size to Colorado and Wyoming combined." -BLM's Treasured Lanscapes paper

(Excerpt) Read more at ksl.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: agenda21government; biggovernment; bishop; blm; federal; federalgovtlandgrab; hr5101; land; robbishop; utah

1 posted on 08/06/2010 4:46:44 AM PDT by Outside da Box
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To: Outside da Box; Carry_Okie; editor-surveyor; Jeff Head; Noumenon; hosepipe; brityank; SierraWasp; ..

Bad news. This has huge implications.

Look into Deep Ecology for why.

People should also be aware of this bill:

HR 5101, the Wildlife Corridors Conservation Act, incorporates the legislative provisions of Section 481 of HR 2454 (the House version of the climate bill) and Section 6009 of the Kerry-Lieberman climate bill draft. These sections authorize a wildlife corridors information system. HR 5101 builds on this with implementation programs, mostly to be housed with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Funding mechanisms and public-private structures are included. The bill has been referred to the House Natural Resources Committee.

This bill is intended to lead to the formal creation of several continental-scale wildlife corridor systems that include core habitat, connectivity, and buffer systems. Please read it carefully and spend some time considering what its passage would mean to your livelihood and interests.


2 posted on 08/06/2010 4:53:10 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: sauropod

They’re just setting aside land that the commmoners can’t use. Membership in the Party has its benefits Comrade.


3 posted on 08/06/2010 4:57:29 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Obama is like a rocket scientist....who's trying to do brain surgery with a hammer.)
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To: sauropod

Bad news indeed. I read through this when it was first proposed, in the late 90’s. It provides the government access to private land by way of these so-called wildlife corridors. Any kind of excuse would be used to intrude into the lives of private citizens, spy on them, regulate and restrict the use of their property.


4 posted on 08/06/2010 5:01:48 AM PDT by giotto
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To: Outside da Box; All
From the article:

Congressman Rob Bishop's office also recently received the document. Bishop said he's angry because it would put virtually all land management power in the hands of the White House.

...

[Congressman Bishop] is especially concerned about portions of the document that recommend using the Antiquities Act "should the legislative process not prove fruitful." The act gives the president power to designate a national monument with no public or legislative input.

5 posted on 08/06/2010 5:02:20 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction (I can see November from my house.)
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To: sauropod

“Look into Deep Ecology for why.”

You’re on target. Few people have ever read deep ecology documents.

First, it’s a nature worship cult.

Second, these bills are patterned after the Reichsnaturschutzgesetz of 1935 Germany.

Third, these illegal bureaucratic dictates will place the jackboot of the state on every property owner’s throat. No property owner will be allowed to do anything with his property without permission of some bureaucrat.

Fourth, that’s called fascism.

Prepare. Find out where your local federal fascist lives and works.


6 posted on 08/06/2010 5:15:21 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Outside da Box

Pol Pot emptied the cities and made everyone go to the countryside to starve. It has long been my thought that the American communists would do the opposite- force everyone into the cities to starve. Looks like they’re laying the ground work.


7 posted on 08/06/2010 5:20:40 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Outside da Box

interesting info for landowners.
oops! sorry, I forgot. There are no landowners anymore. All property belongs to the state.

As I write this I hear over the muzak;

Mike & The Mechanics › Silent Running

Take the children and yourself
And hide out in the cellar
By now the fighting will be close at hand
Dont believe the church and state
And everything they tell you
Believe in me, Im with the high command

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

Theres a gun and ammunition
Just inside the doorway
Use it only in emergency
Better you should pray to god
The father and the spirit
Will guide you and protect from up here

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

Swear allegiance to the flag
Whatever flag they offer
Never hint at what you really feel
Teach the children quietly
For some day sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

Can you hear me running (can you hear me calling you? )
(can you hear me) hear me calling you?
(can you hear me running) hear me running babe?
(can you hear me running) hear me running?
Calling you, calling you


8 posted on 08/06/2010 5:31:21 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Outside da Box

I think you’re still allowed to build mosque’s in those protected zones.


9 posted on 08/06/2010 5:57:22 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: sergeantdave
First, it’s a nature worship cult.

They are more than a cult they are a full fledged religion. They have huge sums of money to buy off politicians through political donations. The hard left use “ecology” as a weapon to their ends.

10 posted on 08/06/2010 6:34:37 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: sauropod

They are using US legislation and directives from the head of the Department of Interior as well as presidential directives to set up the UN’s long desired Wildlife and Wildlands initiatives that box the people into specific areas so they can be more controlled.

That’s really what all of this is about and we need a sweeping change in congress to root it out, overturn it, and kill it.


11 posted on 08/06/2010 6:56:21 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: sauropod; 1Old Pro; aardvark1; a_federalist; abner; alaskanfan; alloysteel; alfons; Always Right; ..

Thanks for the ping ‘pod!

The over-reach grows.


12 posted on 08/06/2010 8:53:19 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Jeff Head

“That’s really what all of this is about and we need a sweeping change in congress to root it out, overturn it, and kill it.”

.
Roger that Jeff, and that change will unfortunately involve removing a huge chunk of the Republican caucus.
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13 posted on 08/06/2010 8:57:02 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
unfortunately involve removing a huge chunk of the Republican caucus.

So be it. If they are not true to fundamnetal constitutional principle, then not only do they need to go...they MUST go.

14 posted on 08/06/2010 9:23:40 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Outside da Box
Agenda 21 is alive and well.
15 posted on 08/06/2010 9:24:22 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: Outside da Box

Poaching in the King’s Forest is a capital offense.

}:-)4


16 posted on 08/06/2010 9:30:12 AM PDT by Moose4 (November 2, 2010--the day that "YES WE CAN" becomes "OH NO YOU DIN'T")
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To: editor-surveyor

BTTT


17 posted on 08/06/2010 9:34:40 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: sergeantdave
Few people have ever read deep ecology documents.

Or read quotes by people like Dave Foreman, et. al.

They will make the hair stand up on the back of your head.

18 posted on 08/06/2010 9:39:57 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: sauropod
Alaska is mostly federal land...
This should be a joke, "federal land"...it is NOT...

When the federal government can OWN any land in a State that itself should raise "red flags"...
Little by little the Federal government EATING sovereign State property should be seen as "SEDITION"..
Sedition of State government.. and County and City government..

Thats when anything "FEDERAL" becomes the enemy of the State.. and the other governments..
Its Time for a discussion of "When does the Federal Government become the enemy of the People"..

When does the federal gov't SUBORN the states laws/sovereignty?..
When does the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT become ILLEGAL?..
Which amendments make this POSSIBLE?...
Are the Supremes corrupted?.. and federal machine politics co-opted?..

19 posted on 08/06/2010 9:57:26 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: editor-surveyor
These areas [are] roughly equivalent in size to Colorado and Wyoming combined."

A colossal land grab by executive fiat.

There's only one word for it: tyranny.

20 posted on 08/06/2010 10:02:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (They say money is the mother's milk of politics, but it's not. It's one hundred proof corn liquor.)
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To: Outside da Box

Wait a minute... there might be legal precedent. Of course! Land-snatching!

Land, land... "Land: see Snatch."

Ah, Haley vs. United States. Haley: 7, United States: nothing. You see, it can be done!

21 posted on 08/06/2010 10:04:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: sauropod; editor-surveyor
HR 5101, the Wildlife Corridors Conservation Act

Should be renamed the Pestilence Invasion and Transmission Act. The only problem with that is that few have a clue what the implications of that really are.

22 posted on 08/06/2010 10:41:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Government is an apex predator.)
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To: Outside da Box

The Federal Government should not be allowed to own land outside of the District of Columbia, military reservations, and Federal buildings.

Yes, this includes National Parks.


23 posted on 08/06/2010 10:52:03 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: All

Quote:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-5101

H.R. 5101:
Wildlife Corridors Conservation Act of 2010
111th Congress
2009-2010
Navigation
> Overview
- Summary (CRS)
- Full Text
- Committee Assignments
- Related Legislation

Primary Source
See H.R. 5101 on THOMAS for the official source of information on this bill or resolution.

To expand the science and stewardship of America’s most important wildlife corridors.

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Full Text - Quote:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-5101

Apr 21, 2010 - Introduced in House. This is the original text of the bill as it was written by its sponsor and submitted to the House for consideration. This is the latest version of the bill currently available on GovTrack.
HR 5101 IH
111th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. R. 5101
To expand the science and stewardship of America’s most important wildlife corridors.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
April 21, 2010
Mr. HOLT (for himself, Mr. POLIS of Colorado, Mr. HINCHEY, and Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Natural Resources, and in addition to the Committees on Transportation and Infrastructure and Agriculture, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned
A BILL
To expand the science and stewardship of America’s most important wildlife corridors.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘Wildlife Corridors Conservation Act of 2010’.
SEC. 2. NATIONAL FISH AND WILDLIFE HABITAT AND CORRIDORS INFORMATION PROGRAM.
(a) Establishment- Within 6 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Interior, in cooperation with the States and Indian tribes, shall establish a National Fish and Wildlife Habitat and Corridors Information Program in accordance with the requirements of this section.
(b) Purpose- The purpose of this program is to—
(1) support States and Indian tribes in the development of a geographic information system database of fish and wildlife habitat and corridors that would inform planning and development decisions within each State and Indian tribe, enable each State and Indian tribe to model climate impacts and adaptation, and provide geographically specific enhancements of State and tribal wildlife action plans;
(2) ensure the collaborative development, with the States and Indian tribes, of a comprehensive, national geographic information system database of maps, models, data, surveys, informational products, and other geospatial information regarding fish and wildlife habitat and corridors, that—
(A) is based on consistent protocols for sampling and mapping across landscapes that take into account regional differences; and
(B) that utilizes—
(i) existing and planned State- and tribal-based geographic information system databases; and
(ii) existing databases, analytical tools, metadata activities, and other information products available through the National Biological Information Infrastructure maintained by the Secretary and nongovernmental organizations; and
(3) facilitate the use of such databases by Federal, State, local, and tribal decisionmakers to incorporate qualitative and quantitative information on fish and wildlife habitat and corridors at the earliest possible stage to—
(A) prioritize and target natural resources adaptation strategies and activities;
(B) avoid, minimize, and mitigate the impacts on fish and wildlife habitat and corridors in siting energy development, water, transmission, transportation, and other land use projects;
(C) assess the impacts of existing development on habitats and corridors; and
(D) develop management strategies to enhance the ability of native fish, wildlife, and plant species to migrate or respond to shifting habitats within existing habitats and corridors.
(c) Habitat and Corridors Information System-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary, in cooperation with the States and Indian tribes, shall develop a Habitat and Corridors Information System.
(2) CONTENTS- The System shall—
(A) include maps, data, and descriptions of fish and wildlife habitat and corridors, that—
(i) have been developed by Federal agencies, State wildlife agencies and natural heritage programs, Indian tribes, local governments, nongovernmental organizations, and industry; and
(ii) meet accepted Geospatial Interoperability Framework data and metadata protocols and standards;
(B) include maps and descriptions of projected shifts in habitats and corridors of fish and wildlife species in response to climate change;
(C) assure data quality and make the data, models, and analyses included in the System available at scales useful to decisionmakers—
(i) to prioritize and target natural resources adaptation strategies and activities;
(ii) to assess the impacts of proposed energy development, water, transmission, transportation, and other land use projects and avoid, minimize, and mitigate those impacts on habitats and corridors;
(iii) to assess the impacts of existing development on habitats and corridors; and
(iv) to develop management strategies to enhance the ability of fish, wildlife, and plant species to migrate or respond to shifting habitats within existing habitats and corridors;
(D) establish a coordinated process for updating maps and other information as landscapes, habitats, corridors, and wildlife populations change or as other information becomes available;
(E) encourage the development of collaborative plans by Federal and State agencies and Indian tribes to monitor and evaluate the efficacy of the System to meet the needs of decisionmakers;
(F) identify gaps in habitat and corridor information, mapping, and research that should be addressed to fully understand and assess current data and metadata, and to prioritize research and future data collection activities for use in updating the System and provide support for those activities;
(G) include mechanisms to support collaborative research, mapping, and planning of habitats and corridors by Federal and State agencies, Indian tribes, and other interested stakeholders;
(H) incorporate biological and geospatial data on species and corridors affected by energy development and transmission plans, including renewable energy initiatives, transportation, and other land use plans;
(I) be based on the best scientific information available; and
(J) identify, prioritize, and describe key parcels of non-Federal land located within the boundaries of units of the National Park System, National Wildlife Refuge System, National Forest System, or National Grassland System that are critical to maintenance of wildlife habitat and migration corridors.
(d) Financial and Other Support- The Secretary may provide support to the States and Indian tribes, including financial and technical assistance, for activities that support the development and implementation of the System.
(e) Coordination- The Secretary, in cooperation with the States and Indian tribes, shall make recommendations on how the information developed in the System may be incorporated into existing relevant State and Federal plans affecting fish and wildlife, including land management plans, the State Comprehensive Wildlife Conservation Strategies, and appropriate tribal conservation plans, to ensure that they—
(1) prevent unnecessary habitat fragmentation and disruption of corridors;
(2) promote the landscape connectivity necessary to allow wildlife to move as necessary to meet biological needs, adjust to shifts in habitat, and adapt to climate change; and
(3) minimize the impacts of energy, development, water, transportation, and transmission projects and other activities expected to impact habitat and corridors.
(f) Definitions- In this section:
(1) GEOSPATIAL INTEROPERABILITY FRAMEWORK- The term ‘Geospatial Interoperability Framework’ means the strategy utilized by the National Biological Information Infrastructure that is based upon accepted standards, specifications, and protocols adopted through the International Standards Organization, the Open Geospatial Consortium, and the Federal Geographic Data Committee, to manage, archive, integrate, analyze, and make accessible geospatial and biological data and metadata.
(2) SECRETARY- The term ‘Secretary’ means the Secretary of the Interior.
(g) Authorization of Appropriations- To carry out this section there is authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary $1,000,000.
SEC. 3. ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS REGARDING INDIAN TRIBES.
(a) Federal Trust Responsibility- Nothing in this Act is intended to amend, alter, or give priority over the Federal trust responsibility to Indian tribes.
(b) Exemption From FOIA- Information received by a Federal agency pursuant to this Act relating to the location, character, or ownership of human remains of a person of Indian ancestry; or resources, cultural items, uses, or activities identified by an Indian tribe as traditional or cultural because of the long-established significance or ceremonial nature to the Indian tribe; shall not be subject to disclosure under section 552 of title 5, United States Code, if the head of the agency, in consultation with the Secretary of the Interior and an affected Indian tribe, determines that disclosure may—
(1) cause a significant invasion of privacy;
(2) risk harm to the human remains or resources, cultural items, uses, or activities; or
(3) impede the use of a traditional religious site by practitioners.
(c) Application of Other Law- The Secretary of the Interior may apply the provisions of Public Law 93-638 where appropriate in the implementation of this subpart.
SEC. 4. WILDLIFE CORRIDORS STEWARDSHIP AND PROTECTION PROGRAM.
(a) Establishment of Program-
(1) IN GENERAL- Subject to paragraph (2), the Secretary of the Interior shall transfer amounts in the Wildlife Corridors Stewardship and Protection Fund established by this section, without further Act of appropriation, to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation for use by the Foundation to establish and implement a Wildlife Corridors Stewardship and Protection Grant Program in accordance with this section to fund projects to advance important wildlife corridor stewardship and protection.
(2) ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES- The Secretary of the Interior may transfer funds to the Foundation under this subsection in advance, without regard to when expenses are incurred. The funds transferred shall be subject to the provisions of the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation Establishment Act, excluding subsection (a) of section 10 of that Act (16 U.S.C. 3709(a)).
(b) Project Applicants- A project proposal may be submitted to the Foundation for funding under the Program only by—
(1) an individual, corporation, partnership, non-governmental organization, trust, association, or other private entity; or
(2) an officer, employee, agent, department, or instrumentality of the Federal Government, of any State, municipality, or political subdivision of a State.
(c) Project Selection- The Foundation, in consultation with the Secretary, shall select for funding under the Program projects that will have the most significant on-the-ground impact for wildlife species of greatest conservation need by—
(1) enhancing the management and stewardship of important wildlife corridors identified by State or Federal agencies; or
(2) protecting important wildlife corridors identified by State or Federal agencies.
(d) Cost Sharing- The Federal share of the cost of each project funded under the Program shall be not greater than 50 percent, and the non-Federal share required for such a project shall not be derived from any Federal grant program and may be paid in cash or in kind.
(e) Administrative Expenses- Of amounts transferred to the Foundation under this section each fiscal year, the Foundation may expend not more than 5 percent or $100,000, whichever is greater, to pay the administrative expenses necessary to administer the Program.
(f) Wildlife Corridors Stewardship and Protection Fund-
(1) ESTABLISHMENT- There is established in the Treasury a separate account, which shall be known as the ‘Wildlife Corridors Stewardship and Protection Fund’. The Secretary of the Treasury shall deposit into the Fund—
(A) all amounts received by the Secretary of the Interior in the form of donations for wildlife corridor stewardship and protection under this section; and
(B) other amounts appropriated to the Fund.
(2) DONATIONS- The Secretary may accept donations of funds for wildlife corridor stewardship and protection under this section.
SEC. 5. WILDLIFE CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT ON PUBLIC LANDS.
(a) Finding- Section 102(a)(8) of the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (43 U.S.C. 1701(a)(8)) is amended by inserting ‘, including important wildlife corridors,’ before ‘in their natural condition’.
(b) Definition of Areas of Critical Environmental Concern- Section 103(a) of the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (43 U.S.C.1702(a)) is amended by inserting ‘(including important wildlife corridors)’ after ‘fish and wildlife resources’.
SEC. 6. NATIONAL FOREST SYSTEM RESOURCE PLANNING.
Section 6(e)(1) of the Forest and Rangeland Renewable Resources Act of 1974 (16 U.S.C. 1604(e)(1)) is amended by inserting ‘important wildlife corridors,’ before ‘and wilderness’.
SEC. 7. TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS.
(a) Accommodation of Wildlife Movement- As a condition for the receipt of Federal assistance for a highway construction project under title 23, United States Code, the Secretary of Transportation may ensure that a State or other recipient of such assistance gives the accommodation of wildlife movement full consideration during the development and construction of the project, as it relates to—
(1) improving motorist safety;
(2) reducing wildlife mortality on highways; and
(3) providing ecological connectivity to support population viability and other wildlife conservation objectives.
(b) Specific Conditions- In carrying out subsection (a), the Secretary shall ensure that a State or other recipient of assistance under title 23, United States Code—
(1) considers incorporating wildlife crossings in any highway construction project carried out using such assistance, and incorporates wildlife crossings in the project, if appropriate;
(2) provides to the Secretary a statement of reasons explaining the extent of wildlife crossings to be included in such highway construction projects or why wildlife crossings are not appropriate; and
(3) utilizes the best available commercial and scientific data in making determinations on incorporating wildlife crossings in such highway construction projects.
SEC. 8. AGRICULTURAL CONSERVATION PROGRAMS.
(a) Special Rule Involving Payments for Foregone Income- Section 1240B(d)(3) of the Food Security Act of 1985 (16 U.S.C. 3839aa-2(d)(3)) is amended to read as follows:
‘(3) SPECIAL RULE INVOLVING PAYMENTS FOR FOREGONE INCOME- In determining the amount and rate of payments under paragraph (2)(B), the Secretary may accord great significance to a practice that, as determined by the Secretary, promotes—
‘(A) residue management;
‘(B) nutrient management;
‘(C) air quality management;
‘(D) invasive species management;
‘(E) pollinator habitat;
‘(F) animal carcass management technology;
‘(G) pest management; or
‘(H) wildlife corridor management.’.
(b) Encouragement of Pollinator Development and Protection or Important Wildlife Corridor Stewardship and Protection- Section 1244(h) of the Food Security Act of 1985 (16 U.S.C. 3844(h)) is amended to read as follows:
‘(h) Encouragement of Pollinator Development and Protection or Important Wildlife Corridor Stewardship and Protection- In carrying out any conservation program administered by the Secretary, the Secretary may, as appropriate, encourage—
‘(1) the development of habitat for native and managed pollinators;
‘(2) the stewardship of habitat in important wildlife corridors; and
‘(3) the use of conservation practices that benefit native and managed pollinators or important wildlife corridors identified as such by a State.’.


24 posted on 08/06/2010 1:57:27 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: mountainlion

“They are more than a cult they are a full fledged religion. They have huge sums of money to buy off politicians through political donations. The hard left use “ecology” as a weapon to their ends.”

You’re spot on, mountainlion.

I think we need to start up an armed Freeper division to take on these fascist pig “environmentalists.” Give them a choice - body bags or a one-way ticket to North Korea.

Best wishes to you and yours...


25 posted on 08/06/2010 4:06:45 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: sauropod

“Or read quotes by people like Dave Foreman, et. al.”

I really appreciate you bringing up jerks like Foreman.

We, meaning a sheriff I worked with, tried to nail that Clinton SOB Bruce Babbitt, former head of the Interior Department, back in 2003.

He sent out his goons to bomb a Michigan Tech forestry lab. The bomb fizzled. We had Babbitt’s nuts in a vice to nail him, but he escaped. That jerk was involved in many university bombings, but we could never find local state prosecutors to stick their skinny necks out to prosecute Babbitt.

Best wishes to you and yours...


26 posted on 08/06/2010 4:35:45 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Cindy

>>and Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California) introduced the following bill;<<

You can bet your childrens future that anything to do with the eco system and Mr. GEORGE MILLER of California will end up under the control of the United Nations.


27 posted on 08/07/2010 10:10:58 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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