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Report: Insubordinate McChrystal Called Back to Washington for White House Meeting
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 | Kristinn

Posted on 06/22/2010 4:07:18 AM PDT by kristinn

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To: chargers fan
A good part of the problem is how horribly this war is being waged, it has many justly concerned. But the Constitution was built specifically to avoid the *emotionalism of the day*, if I may put it thus, and the UCMJ, the reason we have civilian authority over the military, all of the things under consideration in this issue, they are there for good reason. The Founders understood, history has shown since this is the case.

As the earlier poster said, 0bama an idiot, irrelevant. Troops are in danger, the mission a failure, the elected and subsequent appointees don't know their *a* from a hole in the ground? Fine -- but you take off the uniform before you say it publicly. In fact, if it is of such import that he feels it necessary to say it in public, he should have made a show of resigning, immediate press conference to lay out the reasons for doing so. The headlines that would garner would be more helpful to the troops then what's going on now.

301 posted on 06/22/2010 12:29:03 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Freddd

Especially from some MAN named STANLEY!!!!!

A very confused Oedipus complex kicking in;)


302 posted on 06/22/2010 12:42:16 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Separation of powers denies the president the right to do much of anyting in the Capitol without invitation. That includes addressing the Congress, either jointly or separately.

I continue to run into people who are unaware that members of the House may not be on the floor of the Senate without Senate-member escort, nor can they be in the Senate press gallery without same, vice versa. By-invitation is big-time in Washington, separation of powers engenders protocol.

I've had to clarify that bit about the SOTU message mandate not being a speech given in person at time or two my own self, though usually it's some family dinner. ;)

303 posted on 06/22/2010 12:48:10 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Captain Kirk
I tend to agree. Of course, given the way things are with our economy, debt, borders.....I don't know why in hell we are still playing world cop....

We've been doing that for many decades now....It's starting to bite us in the butt...Hard.

Our own political civilian overseers have become corrupt and made us weak at home and abroad....

Those in D.C. have more allegiance to illegal aliens, than the American people. (New tag line?)

I'd say things need to change really fast, or we resign as world cop, and turn in the badge.

304 posted on 06/22/2010 1:28:41 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Palladin
Generals have a right to disagree with the President when their consciences demand it.

Not when it violates the UCMJ.
305 posted on 06/22/2010 2:27:23 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

and it’s a good thing that he hasn’t violated the UCMJ.


306 posted on 06/22/2010 3:21:07 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
I don't like Obama or Biden, but Article 88 of the UCMJ doesn't leave much wiggle room for McChrystal. His comments and those of his subordinates made it into circulation.

Even if you don't think it rises to that level, it shows that McChrystal is really naive when it comes to the media and who he surrounds himself with.
307 posted on 06/22/2010 3:40:28 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Exactly what comments of McChrystal do you believe were in violation of Article 88?


308 posted on 06/22/2010 4:01:04 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

What I do not understand is why a US general would be even talking with Rolling Stone. Seems crazy.

A cry for help maybe?


309 posted on 06/22/2010 5:44:35 PM PDT by angcat (GOD SAVE US!)
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To: chargers fan

It’s not a strawman. Obama is in dereliction of his Constitutional duty to protect the US. He is making decisions for purely domestic political reasons that are getting American servicemembers killed and that are endangering this nation. McCrystal is doing his duty by speaking up.

I respect our servicemembers and their williness to sacrifice life and career to do their Constitutional duty. Kind of shocked that you don’t share that view.


310 posted on 06/22/2010 6:05:33 PM PDT by piytar (Obama keeps going to golf courses instead of the Gulf. Maybe he's too stupid to know the difference?)
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To: Yosemitest

Yes, I was being sarcastic. Sorry I didn’t include a /sarc tag. Late night post and forgot the first rule of internet sarcasm - always use a /sarc tag!


311 posted on 06/22/2010 6:08:28 PM PDT by piytar (Obama keeps going to golf courses instead of the Gulf. Maybe he's too stupid to know the difference?)
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To: piytar

I’m sorry, I thought you were making an argument that if Obama ever did anything openly against the consitution or Americans the military would stand idly by in the name of “doing what we’re told.”

McChrystal’s opinions may be true and need to be said but he went about it the wrong way (and I’m pretty sure it was heresay from aides and not him in the article). I didn’t vote for Obama and I will vote against him in 2012. I will not, however, speak out against him while I have the uniform on and am representing the military.


312 posted on 06/22/2010 7:04:12 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: angcat
A cry for help maybe?

That's kind of what Rush said today. Alerting people to the fact that Obama has no idea what he is doing. We live in truly bizarre times when the general in charge of the whole war effort needs to go through a left wing entertainment rag to be heard.

313 posted on 06/22/2010 7:08:07 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy (Gen 15:16 The iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete.)
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To: kristinn
What a sad way to end a career.

Hope he doesn't end up court marshaled. If you want to complain in public, resign.

314 posted on 06/22/2010 8:09:42 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Col Frank Slade

He will not, he can’t. Firing him would require him to acknowledge the seriousness nature of the sentiment.


315 posted on 06/22/2010 9:28:45 PM PDT by widdle_wabbit
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To: Red Steel
How do you know he doesn't have his vote? From the WSJ article:

UPDATE: Tuesday morning, just hours after reports of the profile first surfaced, McChrystal released the following statement:

“I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened. Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honor and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard. I have enormous respect and admiration for President Obama and his national security team, and for the civilian leaders and troops fighting this war and I remain committed to ensuring its successful outcome.

316 posted on 06/22/2010 9:48:49 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse ("It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged." - G.K. Chesterton, 1921)
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To: piytar
It's okay.
The post about the "Oath of Military Officers" ... WAS VERY revealing.
317 posted on 06/22/2010 9:51:37 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Brown Deer
Exactly what comments of McChrystal do you believe were in violation of Article 88?

Yup, none really by McChrystal that rise to any level in violation of the UCMJ.

318 posted on 06/22/2010 9:52:36 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: kristinn

A British paper is saying that Gen. McChrystal has already submitted his resignation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7848126/General-Stanley-McChrystal-offers-resignation-to-President-Barack-Obama.html


319 posted on 06/22/2010 9:54:28 PM PDT by Humal
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To: Grampa Dave

Great tagline Grampa D


320 posted on 06/22/2010 9:54:58 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse ("It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged." - G.K. Chesterton, 1921)
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