Posted on 06/13/2010 3:38:27 AM PDT by Scanian
She’s still a baby! My son just turned twenty and he complains all the time about feeling old too. LOL
Shalom
The article is the typical muddle of the MSM.
The article mentions "age-old questions about whether Jews are a group of unrelated people who share a religious ideology or a distinct ethnicity with common ancestry".
I guess this is a response to claims that Ashkenaz Jews are descendants of Khazars, or that non-Jews in the Roman Empire converted to Judaism in large numbers.
Studies that reference a more ancient time frame are mentioned at
...Besides the Jews, there are other populations that share the “Abrahamic Genetic Signature” as their primary Y-markers.
These include Lebanese, Syrians, Druze, Iraqi Kurds, some southern and central Italians, and Hungarians. It is also found among some Armenians.
” did not realize the ‘debate’ was regarding origin of Middle Eastern.... ancestor(s) actually I am NOT sure just what the debate literally is.”
The arabs in Gaza claim Jewish people are not really Jewish, but European.
Per this study, the arabs are factually wrong. (Shocking, I know.)
(It is also theologically wrong, in that a convert is no less a Jewish person than a born Jewish person. Abraham was a convert!)
Here is what Scripture says and just one example at that.
Now if you don't think that Aaron shall offer the bull for the sin offering is a forced as in required, obliged, mandatory, compelled action maybe you don't know how to put words together to understand their meanings
Secondly you seem to be implying that I am condemning the command for this sacrifice without you taking into account the object of my response, namely, a conversion to Judaism. This sacrifice was an obligation that the tribes of Israel were under. I'm not under that obligation nor do I want to be.
It's akin to saying Christians should be obliged to be circumcised, which Paul addresses rather specifically. If you want to oblige yourself to perform ritualist animal sacrifice, I fear you have run your race in vain.
I would approve of stoning adulteresses along with the adulterer
And you would be willing to be the one to cast the first stone as well, I suppose. I hope you've never looked at girl with any lustful thoughts. If so have you ripped your eyes out yet? No, you couldn't be reading what I write so you are clearly a holy saint without a need for the Saviour.
If not, however, you better either start gouging or begin praying a bit harder to "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"
But where there is no direct conflict, we must follow both authorities.
IOW follow God :-)
God -- our King -- requires us to follow laws passed justly and which do not conflict with His commands. This, btw, means that government officials and national leaders are also obliged to follow these laws. IOW, the only King we may have is God.
Here’s a slightly different meaning.
Reconsider the Torah, not so much as the Law, from the perspective of an unrighteous person who associates the Law, Judgment, and punishment, but as a Guide to Life provided by God to His believers.
Now reconsider what our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus performed on the Cross.
His act of obedience to the Plan of God the Father, resulted in all our personal sins be imputed on Jesus Christ, then everything occurring on the Cross was Judgment (not to be confused with forgiveness).
When the Judgment was complete, Our Lord had redeemed us from the slave market of sin. Now God is free, in a moments notice, when we exercise faith in Him, to give us a regenerated human spirit, while remaining perfectly just and righteous in His divine essence in that act, by His grace and personal love for us individually and impersonal love for all mankind.
The Law still provides a Guide for Life in Him, through faith in Christ. Where many people slip is perceiving the Law or Torah, not as a Guide for Life as a living person in faith with Him, but as a legal limit from the perspective of the condemned who is seeking not to suffer the penalty of sin but seeks grace as an omission of consequence of violation of the Law.
Another way of phrasing this meaning is that man doesn’t break God’s Law, but God’s Law breaks man.
Well said!
The Yom Kippur sacrfice was offered by the High Priest for the whole nation out of the nation's funds. For the individual, very few sacrifices were mandatory:
1) The tithe for the priesthood, essentially a very light tax
2) Redemption of the firstborn
3) Sacrifices of the firstborn and firstfruits
4) The Passover sacrifice
5) Sin offerings, basically amounting to the "fine" one had to pay for violating the nation's laws
To function as a citizen of any country, one has to pay taxes towards the common good. In fact, it is the teaching of Yeshua that one should pay their taxes to Caesar and the requisite offerings to the Temple (there He goes again, "forcing" you to obey the law). If you wanted to avoid the tithe and the firstfruits/firstborn offerings, the answer was very simple: Don't go into farming or herding. Be a craftsman instead.
If you don't want to make sin offerings, don't sin. That's easy enough, right?
Also of note: All of the above "taxes" were only payable in the actual Land of Israel. Jews in the Diaspora were not expected to make offerings except when they made a pilgrimage. Neither were converts living in, say, Rome. The relatively few sacrifices and tithes required in Israel were essentially the Privilage of Living In Walking Distance of the Presence of the Holy One Tax. Don't like it? Move.
And you would be willing to be the one to cast the first stone as well, I suppose.
If I were one of the 2+ witnesses, and had done everything in my power to turn them from their path before it became an "official" matter, yes, I would be required to.
And your truly masterful counterstroke demonstrates your ignorance of Jewish idiom and hyperbole. The Torah only requires that the community take action for the outward sin done in public; the hidden sins of the heart are between a man and God (Deu. 29:29). That is not to say that I should let sin rule in my heart, or become proud because I obey the external command. We have to recognize, confess, and repent of the inner sin before it becomes expressed in the outward action--even if that means completely sundering the source of the sin: losing a friendship, putting blocks on teh intarweb, etc.
Yeshua did not come to abolish the Torah, but to write it on our hearts; not to take away compulsion, but to make the compulsion come from within.
God -- our King -- requires us to follow laws passed justly and which do not conflict with His commands. This, btw, means that government officials and national leaders are also obliged to follow these laws. IOW, the only King we may have is God.
If you truly believe that, then follow the commands of your King, which He has given in His Torah, instead of mocking them and bemoaning that He is "forcing" you to obey Him.
Shalom
Very true, and those of us who try to live a Torah-observant life are continually reminded of our need for forgiveness. Nevertheless, are we to sin just because we're under grace instead of under law? And what is the definition of sin, Biblically?
Shalom
In Ireland at the castle of Brian Boru, there is a stone that was long used for pagan sacrifice. It had an erosion hole through which the blood was poored. The Christians put a statue of Jesus on the cross using the hole as a stanchion. A sermon in stone, it shows at a glance how the Blood of Jesus both satisfies any demands for blood sacrifice, and prevents the old practice of blood sacrifice.
Of course You know better than St. Patrick. And St. Jerome. Perhaps better than G-d himself, we better check with You before we decide that.
What a curious stinking pile of assertions.
If you don’t like those stinking assertions, you shouldn’t make them.
I didn’t.
NONE of these are my words:
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Of course You know better than St. Patrick. And St. Jerome. Perhaps better than G-d himself, we better check with You before we decide that.
From God’s Biblical perspective, I don’t think it’s tolerable to identify Jehovah, God Almighty
with
ANY
pagan anything.
The Old Testament makes that abundantly clear—in the first book or two.
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Those above are your stinking assertions.
I pointed out that others did not agree with you.
It’s quite sufficient that God agrees with the following:
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with
ANY
pagan anything.
The Old Testament makes that abundantly clear—in the first book or two.
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God and one are STILL a majority. However, the above truths . . . are supported by millions of folks who are Scripture literate.
I doubt this 'study' or any other 'study' is going to convince the Gaza Arabs much of anything. Sadly it appears that the majority of children born there are placed at birth in suicide apparel for a short life.
I do not understand what Abraham converted from, the way I read the record Abram was predestined at an appointed time to be born on this earth when he was.
“I do not understand what Abraham converted from, the way I read the record Abram was predestined at an appointed time to be born on this earth when he was.”
He converted from paganism to Noahdism to Judaism.
Judaism is a contract, a covenent with G-d. Coversion was accomplished at his circumcision.
As to predestination, I have no idea. The concept is very slippery to me.
AGAIN, as we have said recently, men who just don’t want to believe God . . .
(GENETICS!!!!)
are trying to find NATURAL explanations (or denials) for things SUPERNATURAL. . . .
thinking they are intelligent.
This is just more of the same.
Others disagree with your reading of G-d’s will. St. Jerome and St. Patrick come highly recommended.
1. If only God agreed, it would be sufficient.
2. Many more than God agree with me.
3. Thankfully St Patrick wasn’t even Roman Catholic.
BTTT
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