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Posted on 05/20/2010 8:55:37 AM PDT by ctpsb

Jim Geraghty

May 19, 2010 10:00 A.M.

Recapping Pennsylvania’s 12th The GOP’s Tim Burns dramatically underperformed in turning out his base.

On Tuesday morning, Republicans who were closely watching the special election in Pennsylvania’s 12th Congressional District — once represented by John Murtha — did not offer ironclad, take-it-to-the-bank guarantees that their man Tim Burns was going to win. But they liked his chances, and expected him to at least run close to Democrat Mark Critz.

The final tally wasn’t close: Critz won 53.4 percent to Burns’s 44.3 percent, with all precincts but one reporting. Critz won a bit more than 71,000 votes, Burns a bit more than 59,000.

So what happened? Among the arguments emerging late Tuesday night:....

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1 posted on 05/20/2010 8:55:37 AM PDT by ctpsb
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I don’t think you can count on a different result in the November election. But I also don’t think this race was a precursor to the 2010 elections either. Most Democrats have a track record that will prevent them from being seen as centrist or conservative.


2 posted on 05/20/2010 9:02:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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What happened? Very simple. You have to sell for something and not just against something. You have to give people a reason to change and go out and vote. Being against something won’t do it. It is like someone trying to sell me new golf clubs. If they just keep saying my old (incumbent) golf club stink. Well ok. I agree..but they need to offer me features and benefits of why buying a new (republican) golf club would be of value. Such as it will allow me to hit the drive 250 yards even with a bad swing (feature) and people will be in such awe they will probably be a line of people to invite me to sit with them for lunch at the club just to talk about my golf game (benefit). Same concepts need to be applied in each district features and benefits of voting for the candidate. Otherwise, people won’t have reason to change their golf clubs :) there is my analogy lol


3 posted on 05/20/2010 9:03:45 AM PDT by GoMonster (GO)
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To: ctpsb

I thought that was a good analysis. This Pa-12 race can be studied by Burns people and other Congressional candidates across the country. A sort of laboratory experiment before the big one in November.


4 posted on 05/20/2010 9:04:51 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: GoMonster

I like your golf club analogy.


5 posted on 05/20/2010 9:05:47 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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The powers-that-be managed to tick off a very large percent of Republicans voters by the way they picked the candidate.

Feelings matter.

6 posted on 05/20/2010 9:09:19 AM PDT by Tribune7 (It is immoral to claim the tea parties to be racist)
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ping


7 posted on 05/20/2010 9:09:39 AM PDT by Tribune7 (It is immoral to claim the tea parties to be racist)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Thank you. Now feel like going out out to hit a bucket. Think I am gonna get a new driver though :) lol


8 posted on 05/20/2010 9:13:03 AM PDT by GoMonster (GO)
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I’ve got a friend who was untel recently a resident of PA 12. I forwarded this to him and he shot right back that it is pretty far off the mark. PA-12 is solid Dem territory, with an older, mostly white population and a lot of current and former union families. Industry pretty much collapsed in the district a generation ago and the jobs never returned. Most housholds have a member or two on government assistance. Republicans rarely even bother running in local races. He chalks up McCain’s win to simple racism.


9 posted on 05/20/2010 9:13:58 AM PDT by jboot (Let Christ be true and every man a liar.)
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To: GoMonster
"Think I am gonna get a new driver though"

You just need a 7 iron. Worked for Kevin Costner in Tin Cup... : )
10 posted on 05/20/2010 9:14:38 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Non-Sequitur

I think more Democrats voted then Republicans. Remember Specter/Sestak


11 posted on 05/20/2010 9:15:25 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: jboot

To sell them in that district talk about how the money being wasted on the Trillion dollar health care monstrosity could be used instead to solidify their Medicare and Social Security benefits. Again, you can’t just be against the health care you have to show why repealing it would benefit them.


12 posted on 05/20/2010 9:16:39 AM PDT by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

7 iron is my go to club :) too lol


13 posted on 05/20/2010 9:17:50 AM PDT by GoMonster (GO)
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I think that's true. Apparently there are a lot of folks there looking for a handout, and anything you want thhem to support needs to be couched in terms of what they can gain.

My pal is not too complimentary of his former neighbors.

14 posted on 05/20/2010 9:22:49 AM PDT by jboot (Let Christ be true and every man a liar.)
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To: personalaccts
I think more Democrats voted then Republicans. Remember Specter/Sestak

More Democrats voted in their Kentucky primary than in the Republican one. I don't take that as a sign the Senate seat is in jeopardy.

15 posted on 05/20/2010 9:24:34 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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We lost because really, not much has changed. American’s may say they are upset at government, but they really aren’t upset enough to be willing to see their personal favorite programs cut. The Democrat sounds fairly in tune with that district and was no threat to cut off the gravy train.

A majority of the residents of PA-12 want their freebies and pork. Simple as that.


16 posted on 05/20/2010 9:40:04 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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If I am not mistaken, this is one of the most gerrymandered districts in the state. The district was drawn by Democrats to ensure Democrats hold the seat. a 44% showing for an underfunded Republican is respectable — But we need to fight for these districts harder than the “safe” ones. I think what we need is a standard platform of defending the state and federal constitutions and limiting the scope of government power. A platform like the contract with America but more about a return to individual rights and restricting the ability of government to assault freedoms Give the majority somethng to vote for.
17 posted on 05/20/2010 9:44:02 AM PDT by Gordon Pym
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I wonder if we’ll see a massive wave of Democrat incumbents retiring this election. Critz could run as a conservative Democrat (whether true or not) and he had no record disprove that. Obviously an incumbent, and particularly the barking moonbats in office today, can’t do that. I wonder if the party will “convince” a lot of the incumbents to retire, and then nominate newcomers who don’t have a record, trying to replicate the PA-12 dynamic and hoping for some general goodwill towards the Democrats to pull it out.


18 posted on 05/20/2010 9:50:47 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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"I don't take that as a sign the Senate seat is in jeopardy."

I think what he meant to say is that more Dems than Pubs turned out because of the comeptitive senate race with Specter/Sestak. Therefore, more of them voted in the special election in which both Pubs, Dems and Independents voted for who would take the rest of Murtha's term.
19 posted on 05/20/2010 9:51:36 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Gordon Pym

Actually I think the district was gerrymandered by Republicans with all the areas left over after creating several Republican districts.


20 posted on 05/20/2010 9:51:55 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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