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Joe Lieberman introducing bill to strip suspected terrorists' citizenship
The Washington Post / washingtonpost.com ^ | May 5, 2010; 11:16 AM ET | By Rachel Weiner

Posted on 05/05/2010 11:28:19 PM PDT by thecodont

A day after suggesting that U.S. citizenship laws should be changed to strip American terrorists of their nationality, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) has introduced legislation to do just that. His bill amends existing law that revokes the citizenship of any American who joins a foreign military.

"I'm now putting together legislation [so that] any individual American citizen who is found to be involved in a foreign terrorist organization, as defined by the Department of State, would be deprived of their citizenship rights," Lieberman told reporters Tuesday. "If you have joined an enemy of the United States in attacking the United States to try to kill Americans I think you sacrifice your rights of citizenship."

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It's not clear from the proposal when a person would be designated a terrorist for purposes of revoking their citizenship, but Lieberman also sided with Republicans who said that terror suspect Faisal Shahzad should not have been read his Miranda rights after his arrest. "If [authorities] make a judgment that this was a terrorist act, the person should be turned over to the military," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at voices.washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 111th; citizenship; faisalshahzad; joelieberman; terrorists
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1 posted on 05/05/2010 11:28:19 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Why not just hang them for treason?


2 posted on 05/05/2010 11:29:17 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: thecodont

Careful there, Joe. Such a law could have unintended consequences for patriotic, Constitution-loving Americans.


3 posted on 05/05/2010 11:34:27 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: glorgau
Why not just hang them for treason?

When was the last time the U.S. hung anyone for treason?

4 posted on 05/05/2010 11:34:45 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

The first thing Omoslem would do is threaten the Tea Parties with this law.

After all, some carry guns. He’d just declare various groups “paramilitary/militia” and point at their anti-gov’t websites, then try to strip their citizenship since they “joined an anti-USA force.”


5 posted on 05/05/2010 11:42:47 PM PDT by StopObama2012 (CLICK ME to expose Osaudi)
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To: thecodont

“Suspected”??

Let’s wait until proven guilty, shall we?


6 posted on 05/05/2010 11:45:40 PM PDT by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: thecodont

Before stripping anyone of citizenship, I recommend first collecting back taxes. Otherwise we could see a spike in terrorism from tax cheats. KnowwhatImean.


7 posted on 05/05/2010 11:51:22 PM PDT by boocoowell (Nuclear power now for crying out loud)
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To: Windflier

Along the lines of dual citizens by birth who ignorantly go to the other country and get a rude surprise along the lines of conscription?


8 posted on 05/05/2010 11:55:01 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (Trijicon, the scope of CRUSADERS!!)
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To: thecodont
When was the last time the U.S. hung anyone for treason?

I once knew a guy who committed treason, and he was hung. But they gave him twenty years.

9 posted on 05/05/2010 11:55:50 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("I'll retire to Bedlam.")
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To: thecodont

Bammy would love to that to 200 million Americans...


10 posted on 05/06/2010 12:00:22 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: Windflier
Bill language (HR 5166, originally introduced in the House by Dent, apparently. I looked at Thomas.loc.gov for legislation introduced by Lieberman, maybe it's this House bill that he's now sponsoring in the Senate).

‘‘(8) being an unprivileged enemy belligerent (as such term is defined in section 948a(7) of title 10, United States Code).’’.

GPO link to *.pdf:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h5166ih.txt.pdf

I'm looking at Title 10, section 948a in the U.S. Code, and I can't find item 7, it seems to stop at 5.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi?ACTION=RETRIEVE&FILE=$$xa$$busc10.wais&start=3363780&SIZE=5235&TYPE=TEXT

11 posted on 05/06/2010 12:02:31 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Oh dear. My apologies. Drat. Didn't mean it that way. Let's try again:

"When was the last time the U.S. hanged anyone for treason?"

12 posted on 05/06/2010 12:04:15 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Fire_on_High
Along the lines of dual citizens by birth who ignorantly go to the other country and get a rude surprise along the lines of conscription?

That's a strained comparison, but I know what you're talking about.

I've got two brothers who were born in Japan, who could have been subjected to something like that, had Japan called them up for service.

13 posted on 05/06/2010 12:05:39 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: thecodont

“as defined by the Department of State”

There’s a way slippery slope in this.


14 posted on 05/06/2010 12:12:01 AM PDT by dasboot (Down: up. Up: down.)
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To: glorgau

That’s what I was wondering. A citizen giving aid and comfort to the enemy (or whatever — I’m not up on the lingo) is a capital crime, isn’t it? Why is the Times Square bomber only up for a life sentence, rather than being charged with treason? Anyone know?


15 posted on 05/06/2010 12:14:51 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (March 2010: Congress shoved Obamacare down our throats. November 2010: We will shove it back!)
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To: dasboot
“as defined by the Department of State”

There’s a way slippery slope in this.

Oh c'mon, how slippery could it possibly be? Now let's see, who is it that's running the Department of State?


16 posted on 05/06/2010 12:30:24 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: thecodont

If one lies to gain citizenship, as the Times Square would-be bomber reportedly did, why the need of a bill to strip him of citizenship? What is needed is the common-sense will to protect the US, not another unenforced law.


17 posted on 05/06/2010 12:35:22 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: thecodont
We need to strip the MURDER CULT's "religion" status!

We don't allow the Manson family to operate, why do we allow isLame?

If you speak out about them, they MURDER you. If you refuse to join them, they MURDER you. If you leave them, they MURDER you.

Do you see why It's a MURDER CULT?

18 posted on 05/06/2010 12:47:45 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, John 1:14)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Exactly.

The KEY to solving this Islamofacist menace involves violent death brought to the terrorists in their fold, and de-recognition of the cult’s current status as a religion.

Islam is a heresy of Jewish and Christian scriptures, bent and twisted with Qureyshi mythologies.

The very fact that its “eternal rewards” as listed by the Quran, consisting of buxom, dark-eyed, fair-skinned virgins, gold and silver tumblers, silken clothing and sweets, and above all, a garden with flowing water, are all materialistic temptations tuned to match the particular tastes of the typical desert nomad in the Middle East, rather than all mankind, is one of its most visible flaws.

Mention this to a Muslim calmly and see how his or her faith melts before you over the months, if not days.


19 posted on 05/06/2010 12:57:13 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Windflier
Yea, that was my thought also. Who makes the definition. We have protections under the constitution that while inconvenient should not be eliminated.

The problem is the immigration process. That process, while turning away people that will be very productive and beneficial to our society, also seems to be really good at letting our enemies come to the U.S. and get citizenship.

20 posted on 05/06/2010 1:35:05 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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