What Police State Legislation Looks Like

Elliott Wave ^ | 4-23-10 | Robert Folsum

[Former MSM Viewer]

Suppose the U.S. Senate passed a law which gives the Federal Government the power to do the following to American citizens who are suspected of a crime:

1.Forbid interrogators from telling the person of their right to remain silent. 2.Forbid interrogators from telling the person of their right to legal counsel. 3.Deny the person habeas corpus protection (the government cannot keep a person in custody without charge). 4.Do all the above not only to a person suspected of a crime, but also to a person who may know about a possible future crime.

[Former MSM Viewer]

Suppose our govt passed this...thanks McCain

[Former MSM Viewer]

a citizen can be designated a suspect based on “such other matters as the President considers appropriate.”

[Islander7]

COSPONSORS(8), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]:

Sen Brown, Scott P. [MA] - 3/4/2010 Sen Chambliss, Saxby [GA] - 3/4/2010

Sen Inhofe, James M. [OK] - 3/4/2010 Sen LeMieux, George S. [FL] - 3/4/2010

Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] - 3/4/2010 Sen Sessions, Jeff [AL] - 3/4/2010

Sen Thune, John [SD] - 3/5/2010 Sen Wicker, Roger F. [MS] - 3/4/2010

Sen Vitter, David [LA] - 3/4/2010(withdrawn - 3/25/2010)

[workerbee]

You read that right: "Such other matters as the President considers appropriate." Broad enough for you? Why has the mainstream media said virtually nothing? Good question; I don't know.

Substitute "President Bush" for "President Obama", and ask if they'd report it. Then you might figure out why.

Thanks again, McCain, you dumbfluck.

[Islander7]

Link to the actual bill language.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.3081:

Related House bill

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.4892:

[autumnraine]

And if you are NOT a citizen and try to blow up a plane on the way IN to America, you will get all the priviledges denied to citizens.

Bizarro World indeed.

[divine_moment_of_facts]

a citizen can be designated a suspect based on “such other matters as the President considers appropriate.

”That is their plan.

[Hank Kerchief]

This is the actual bill.

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc111/s3081_is.xml

Here is the applicable Geneva Convention (III) relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949. (See article 4.)

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/6fef854a3517b75ac125641e004a9e68

This bill makes no sense, since it can only apply to those who are NOT prisoners of war. It is that very obfuscation that is worrying. Exactly whom is it designed to be used against?

Hank

[Candor7]

PING IPO LucyT TO IMPORTANT Fedreral BILL,totalitarianism on the rise.

[Lady Jag]

That’s the Miranda law. It’s mean you have no rights.

[Lady Jag]

A few presidents have trampled this already.

[Candor7]

Liberty can be preserved only at the price of constant vigilance.

Our elitists Reps on both sides of the aisle need a shock. I believe they will soon get one.

THEY WORK FOR US! WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?

And the shock will be by election and otherwise.

Arizona is just the beginning.

[tutstar]

bump

[tutstar]

Yes! Finally this is getting some voice.

McCain-Lieberman Bill Would Deny Civilian Trials for "Enemy Belligerents"

S. 3081 Enemy Belligerent Interrogation – A Sick Merry-Go-Round

[Joe 6-pack]

Good to see Vitter withdrew his sponsorship. Vitter's been good. Here in the last week or two,although potential opponent/porn star Stormy Daniels dropped her, Tea Partier Mike Spears threw his hat into the ring. He's a self-made business man who has a lot of resources he can throw into the race, and while I personally doubt he can beat Vitter, his candidacy will probably keep Vitter from doing any drifting off the conservative plantation.

[tutstar]

gnip

[Lady Jag]

When asked what he'd given us, a Republic or a democracy, Ben Franklin said, "A Republic. If you can keep it."

[GOPJ]

Thanks for the ping.

[thouworm]

From the article---"In this case, the bill’s broad language is different from its purpose in the same way the Mississippi River is different from a spring-fed creek.":
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In the interest of accuracy, the bill's title is "Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010" -- in other words, how to treat terrorists. Yet the supposed purpose of a law is one thing, while the actual language may be a different thing indeed.

In this case, the bill's broad language is different from its purpose in the same way the Mississippi River is different from a spring-fed creek. For example:

* "An individual who is suspected...shall not, during interrogation...be informed of any rights...to counsel or to remain silent consistent with Miranda v. Arizona."

* "An individual, including a citizen of the United States...may be detained without criminal charges and without trial..."

* It even says that a citizen can be designated a suspect based on "[s]uch other matters as the President considers appropriate."

You read that right: "Such other matters as the President considers appropriate." Broad enough for you? Why has the mainstream media said virtually nothing? Good question; I don't know.

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One might ask what citizens' Constitutional rights remain under this Government by tyranny?

[Clint Williams]

THEY WORK FOR US! WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?

They USED to work for you. No longer. Too many did too little for way too long and now you work for them. They will take from yhou whatever they want, and you will do what they order you to do.

They are your masters.

America -- a great idea, didn't last.