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When Image Became Everything: The New Coke Fiasco At 25
The Faster Times ^ | 4/23/10 | Patrick Cassels

Posted on 04/23/2010 12:44:37 PM PDT by qam1

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To: Publius Valerius

“It’s hard to see that type of thing coming.”

No it’s not. It’s an institution and had been for 90 years.


41 posted on 04/23/2010 2:56:44 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: varina davis

All diet root beers aren’t that different from their baseline. At least, not the way regular soft drinks are.


42 posted on 04/23/2010 2:57:42 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Talisker

I grew up with Pepsi(sorry. not Coke) and loved it. When I grew up I could not tolerate a full can without feeling very gaseous for days. A few months ago I tried the Throwback. I not only liked it better, but did not have the burpy feeling. Now I know it was the HFCS.


43 posted on 04/23/2010 2:58:59 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Approximately when did HFCS replace sugar, then? If it was virtually the same time, then the conspiracy could have some validity. If it was significantly earlier, then not at all.

The switch-over happened on a bottling plant by bottling plant basis. Started in the late 1970s, was about 1/2 completed (on a product volume, not #s of plants basis) sometime in 1980 and was fully completed about six months prior to New Coke being rolled out in 1985.
44 posted on 04/23/2010 3:03:08 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: the OlLine Rebel
It’s an institution and had been for 90 years.

But that's ridiculous. Coke still existed, and people preferred the flavor of New Coke. As a company, I'm supposed to anticipate that people will revolt over a product that bears the same name and has a taste that more people prefer?

I get that people don't like change, but still. Here is essentially what people said: "I demand that you replace this better tasting product with one that tastes worse. Otherwise, I will stop buying your new, better tasting product."

45 posted on 04/23/2010 3:04:46 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius
What always gets overlooked with New Coke is that New Coke beat “old” Coke in taste tests, which is the main reason that Coke rolled it out. Coke just didn’t expect the backlash that would come from changing what was considered a classic.

Yup, intrinsic vs. extrinsic value.

Because New Coke as a Coca-Cola replacement (as opposed to a new drink that would complement Coca-Cola) was kept secret, the Coca-Cola marketing folks could only ask about reactions to the taste ... not about the entire concept of changing an American Institution (TM). If they had been able to ask the more important question (what do you think about Coke changing its formula) they would have noticed the likely fallout immediately.
46 posted on 04/23/2010 3:07:41 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: dfwgator

I’ve heard this theory too, and I for one am inclined to believe it. About a year ago I was in Texas visiting a friend and he introduced me to “mexican coca-cola”. Apparently coke is able to use cane sugar in the product they manufacture down there. The difference was staggering. I was immediately transported to back to the age of six . . . or the last time I’d had a “real” coke. I’ve also read about coca-cola offering “kosher coke” for passover, and some other holidays, that is sweetened with sugar instead of corn syrup . . . but I’ve yet to see it offered in my area.


47 posted on 04/23/2010 3:32:28 PM PDT by TheVitaminPress (as goes the Second Amendment . . . so goes the Constitution.)
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To: tanknetter

As I recall, there was some testing like that, but the question wasn’t quite so direct. Something like, “assume this is Coke. Would you buy it?”

Clearly a textbook marketing blunder in retrospect, but I think that the folks at Coke get skewered a little too much for a decision that made rational sense at the time. Coke invested a lot of money in testing the product and got good results. Weird thing happened when they went to market.


48 posted on 04/23/2010 3:33:52 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I’d read that before the release of new coke the drink contained a mixture of HFCS and sugar but when coke classic was rolled back out all of the sweetener was HFCS. Can’t account for the validity of that though . . . I don’t recall the source.


49 posted on 04/23/2010 3:35:42 PM PDT by TheVitaminPress (as goes the Second Amendment . . . so goes the Constitution.)
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To: qam1
the Eighties mentality,” he wrote. “Aggressive, ruthless, and cocky

New Coke was a debacle no doubt but this passage is the same old lazy shorthand for the 80s.

We could use some aggression, ruthlessness and cockiness right now instead of the death-by-bureaucracy-and-taxes we are getting along with the embarrassing daily antics of the Scarecrow In Chief.

50 posted on 04/23/2010 3:59:12 PM PDT by relictele
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To: Talisker

The Mexican coke is the best.


51 posted on 04/23/2010 4:01:49 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: relictele

Yeah, I’m not too impressed by the let’s-make-fun-of-the-’80s statements, especially when their commentary on what the public was like vs. earlier turn out to be false. As if everyone wanted to reject “old” Coke - yet they wanted it as is.


52 posted on 04/23/2010 4:02:03 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: STONEWALLS

My husband read that Throwbacks were only for a limited time, NOT including now but months ago. Are you still getting this?


53 posted on 04/23/2010 4:03:59 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
My husband read that Throwbacks were only for a limited time, NOT including now but months ago. Are you still getting this?

I picked up a 12-pack here at Vons about two weeks ago. I avoid HFCS and normally drink Hansen's cane soda (about a can every other day). I thought I'd show my appreciation to PespiCo by purchasing their "throwback" brand (what a horrible name, IMHO). Good stuff! But if they discontinue it, I'll be back to drinking Hansen's.

54 posted on 04/23/2010 4:15:25 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: fireforeffect
During my time in Afghanistan all the soft drinks were from Dubai or Kuwait. Real sugar, will not dring the sludge they call soft drinks here anymore.

Thanks for your service!

When I've been carrier-deployed in the Gulf, we got the same stuff. Coke, Pepsi, Mt. Dew, 7-Up, etc. all with Arabic lettering of the logos, all in those old-fashioned pull tabs cans, and all sweetened with sugar. Some of the younger sailors would comment that the soda tastes funny. I'd reply, "This is what it's supposed to taste like!"

And Fanta orange. Saw a lot of that. The Arabs drink that stuff like water!

55 posted on 04/23/2010 4:18:59 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: qam1

Thanks for the article. Whatever the writer says, though, New Coke was a stroke of unintended genius. The demand for the old Coke shot sales through the roof. BTW, for the people interested, the Dr. Pepper with real sugar is bottled in Dublin, Texas. Their web site is http://www.dublindrpepper.com/ and you can order the real Dr. Pepper made with pure cane sugar from their web site.

For Coca Cola with real sugar, passover is the only time I know you can get it.


56 posted on 04/23/2010 5:54:05 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

....yes, as of two weeks ago my c-store still had a Throwback end cap....local WalMart is sold out however.


57 posted on 04/23/2010 6:40:43 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: TheVitaminPress
About a year ago I was in Texas visiting a friend and he introduced me to “mexican coca-cola”. Apparently coke is able to use cane sugar in the product they manufacture down there.
The Mexican grocery stores have all sorts of wonderful things, especially if you have a sweet tooth. Try Malta or some of the other non-alcoholic malted beverages.

58 posted on 04/23/2010 7:33:29 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike

Thanks for the suggestion. I look forward to sampling it!


59 posted on 04/24/2010 11:22:11 AM PDT by TheVitaminPress (as goes the Second Amendment . . . so goes the Constitution.)
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To: DallasMike

Thanks for the suggestion. I look forward to sampling it!


60 posted on 04/24/2010 11:22:12 AM PDT by TheVitaminPress (as goes the Second Amendment . . . so goes the Constitution.)
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