Posted on 04/17/2010 4:32:51 AM PDT by reaganaut1
I’d bet FEW know who JOhn Jay was. Leave it to the NYT to make a mockery of him.
In 1787 Jay authored three of the articles now collectively called The Federalist, in which he, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton argued effectively in support of the ratification of the new Federal Constitution. In 1789, Washington appointed him Chief Justice to the Supreme Court under the new federal constitution. In 1794 he was appointed an envoy extraordinary to Great Britain, in order to seek a resolution to continuing conflicts on the western border, and in commercial relations. The result of this was the Jay Treaty, which proved very unpopular with the public, but was nonetheless approved of by the Washington administration. Upon his return home Jay found that, in his absence, he had been elected Governor of New York. Fellow Federalist Alexander Hamilton had secured his election in an effort to strengthen the party in New York. Jay withstood a great deal of party maneuvering and political trickery, earning respect form his friends and enemies alike. He was a very popular Governor who fought for many political reforms including judicial reform, penal reform and the abolition of slavery. He undertook extensive road and canal projects to improve the economy of his state. He retired from public life in 1801. President John Adams tried to appoint him to the Supreme Court again that year, but owing to the illness of his wife, Jay declined the office. Jay died on May 17, 1829 having survived his wife and both of his partners in The Federalist.
http://www.ushistory.org/DECLARATION/related/jay.htm
Hey these Noncitizens have Non-Constitutional rights!!
I suggest you review the Ten Commandments, which HAS been what we based our laws and morality on and COMPARE it to how Ayn Rand lived her life. Ayn lived her life like an cat in heat. We HAVE Ayn's sense of morality in our representatives now and it is NOT working. If they cheat on their wife, income tax etc. - they will cheat YOU and have been cheating us. You cannot separate morality from a person. Either it is there or it is not.
We need to move beyond this juvenile what I do in PRIVATE is none of your business - but what I do in PUBLIC, when I represent you, IS your business. The two, public and private can NOT be separated. This idiotic compartMENTALization has been proven wrong, time and time again. THAT is where Ayn Rand fails.
Let me remind you of Clinton - yes what he does in PRIVATE matters - Lewdinsky is a good example - getting a blow job while he's making decisions concerning our military doesn't jive with a moral leader. How many times do we have to have, men and women who have no moral boundaries? It shows in their PUBLIC actions and decisions. They have COMPROMISED character. While no one is "perfect" as many claim for a defense, MANY are better than others. I dare say, even with Bush's flaws, he wasn't getting blow jobs in the WH while he made serious decisions.
Ayn rand would rather have you NOT look at the persons moral compass and see the relationship to the PUBLIC actions taken by the person. Ayn Rand was a drug addicted whore whose god was money. It's strange, since she understood communism but didn't see that she went to the opposite extreme with money as her god and ignoring how good character and morality played critical roles in the lives of people.
The government can’t win this if the school still hired permanent residents but didn’t hire illegals.
Obama wants them to break the law. Then if they cooperate with this illegal activity, they will be prosecuted in the future for hiring illegals. It is a bankster scam and shake down of a different variety.
Did you even READ my post or did you just see “Ayn Rand” and go off on your rant, implying that I worship her? I just said that her vision of the future was far more accurate than Nostradamus and the History Channel should give her some time.
I am a Christian who has accepted God’s grace and leads a moral life according to scripture (or at least, I try), but I am not going to refuse to read or understand anyone that doesn’t follow the same path that I do. I don’t need to review the Ten Commandments, as you suggest, because I already know them.
I don’t have to be like someone, or condone their lifestyle, to get some useful information from their work. We can’t afford to insulate ourselves from the world around us, because it will just keep going on without us. If you only read Christian books, listen to Christian music, and watch Christian entertainment, then you remove yourself too far from society to influence those around you.
As I read this, they are suing the John Jay College, the law school at New York City’s public university. It used to be called CCNY and was an absolutely terrific school, where bright kids from middle to lower income families could get a great, tuition-free or low tuition education. Then they dispensed with entry exams and it was all downhill from there. So now it does something proper, its law school requires a simple piece of paper, and the feds jump on them.
Typically, a law school will place students with government agencies or law firms, as law clerks, so they can get actual hands-on, practical experience outside the classroom. By demanding this proof, they are assuring the agency or firm that the student they are placing with them is there legally. It saves the potential ‘employer’ from having to spend time verifying that eligibility, and protects them from possible future law suits, fines and penalties. So now THEY are being sued for requiring that eligibility documentation.
Too bad our DOJ has become so pathetic under Holder. I’m not sure it will ever regain credibility. They won’t pursue the Black Panthers in Philly, but they will go after a university for requiring one more page of eligibility documentation.
Not only did I READ your post, I am also well read when it comes to Ayn Rand, hence my reply to you! You are NOT well read when it comes to Ayn Rand. You selectively highlight what you like and fail to see where she is fatally flawed. We don't need Ayn Rand's selective hypocrisy made into “prophecy”. BTW, I didn't say you “worship” her. Feeling guilty about your admiration for an immoral person?
“I am a Christian who has accepted God’s grace and leads a moral life according to scripture (or at least, I try), but I am not going to refuse to read or understand anyone that doesn’t follow the same path that I do. I don’t need to review the Ten Commandments, as you suggest, because I already know them.”
Why you tout Ayn Rand, is beyond me if what you say is true. Selective hypocrisy? Don't fret, it's very common today ... .
“I don’t have to be like someone, or condone their lifestyle, to get some useful information from their work. We can’t afford to insulate ourselves from the world around us, because it will just keep going on without us. If you only read Christian books, listen to Christian music, and watch Christian entertainment, then you remove yourself too far from society to influence those around you.”
Surely you know of others that are closer to good character? You don't need to get all defensive with me. Who YOU rave about, speaks of YOU - Ayn Rand!
BTW Ayn Rand's view and Christianity do NOT go together. Money is not supposed to be our "god". Nor is being totally SELFISH and SELF SERVING as Ayn Rand was in agreement with Christianity. Do you understand that? If you do, then why in this world, do you highlight her as some kind of a prophet as in prophecy? You are confused to say the least. Ayn Rand was an ATHEIST and incapable of abiding by the Ten Commandments.
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You can have work authorization while your greencard case is pending. It’s a speicific document with an expiration date.
“Feeling guilty about your admiration for an immoral person?”
I’m always amused by people calling themselves “good christians” who turn into forum trolls at the drop of a name or a quote...
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!
I offer you this...no one quotes scripture quite as good as the devil....
And Pride is a sin too...
This has been the case for years, you could not delve too deeply unless social security alerted you that the information submitted was false. Even then, you were told to NOT fire the person, but relay to them that the number they gave you did not come up as correct, and to first ask them to resubmit.
Note also that this school is part of CUNY, so it is the government violating the law and the rights of employees/citizens. Yeah, that always works out well. We want more of that.
Excellent point. The ethos of "The Holy Office" comes to mind as well. Romans 3:23 applies to the finest people the world has produced as well as the worst.
It has been the law for YEARS that each and every new possible hire was to correctly fill out a form I-9.
I was a payroll supervisor 35 years ago, and we checked carefully.
I understand the fine for hiring non-eligible persons to be $5000 per day per person hired.
NObama & Holder are going after an employer for following the law!!!!
I sincerely hope the college fights this and does so with lots of publicity.
“she arrived from Korea on a student visa almost 30 years ago “
I’d say she’s overstayed her visa;) IMO she should have gotten the whole citizenship thing wrapped up a long time ago!
Ping!
” Justice Department is committed to enforcing provisions of the 1996 Immigration and Nationality Act that prohibit employers from imposing different employment eligibility verification standards on noncitizens than on citizens, said Alejandro Miyar, a spokesman for the department.”
That part of the law needs to be voted out immediatly!!!
One employer that’s doing it right!
Best I can tell—
An immigrant needs a green card to work here but an employer has no right to demand to see it. Typical asshat contradictory laws from the creeps that govern from DC
The Korean person who sued and started this case seems to have had a work permit while her green card application was pending. She could be lying and the other 102 who jumped in on her suit lying too. Hard to tell. But you can legally work here with a temporary work permit while your green card is pending
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