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Secondly, Regardless of your political ideology, you’ve earned the right as US Citizens to say your piece - no matter how wrong it may be. That is your right, and I will give my life to protect it.
But this government of ours is a democracy. We vote for our representatives, and they vote in our interests. Sometimes, the votes don’t go our way. That’s life, better luck next time. Exhaust your legislative options, and then focus on gaining the required votes and/or seats to achieve your desired legislative vote next election time. That’s the way things work.
But the SECOND you start committing acts of violence and vandalism, then you’ve usurped that Constitution. You in a way have assaulted it. And then you and I (I being every servicemember who has sworn to defend said Constitution) will have a MAJOR PROBLEM.
For those of you calling for a civil war, I implore you to stop and think about what you’re saying. Look around your neighborhood and your city. Now imagine using that terrain to survive. Imagine dodging semi-automatic rifle fire as you scramble from cover to cover, dragging your wounded child behind you. Imagine the deafening report of a mortar as it strikes the ground a 150 feet in front of you, the overpressure enough to shatter your teeth and perforate an ear drum. Try and envision a Stryker rolling through neighbor’s front lawn or a F/A-18 making lazy loops over your head in Close Air Support for the troops in the distance.
Now with that vision in mind, stop by your local Marine Corps base, being they will be the first military units you’d face in an all out ‘civil war’ . Look at them for a moment, examine their ‘work environment’ . They’re running the track, they’re climbing ropes, they’re grappelling with each other in mock hand-to-hand combat, and shooting targets while moving in raid lines on a daily basis. Nearly everyone on that base, down to our ‘secretaries’ has a combat award of one type or another, they’ve faced some of the most stressful situations on Earth where succumbing to the stress can get you killed, and they flourished.
Now ask yourselves and be honest - when is the last time you’ve run anything other than late to work, climbed anything other than a flight of stairs, grappelled with anything other than a paper jam, and shot off anything other than your mouth? When’s the last time you were in any situation more stressful than a traffic jam?
Now I’m not blaming you for your career choice, not in the least. I can’t think of a single job that’s not useful in some way or another. I just want you to simply compare and contrast your work environment with ours and ask yourselves “Who is better suited to win this battle ?” We both know the answer here, and if you doubt that answer, look at the results from Fallujah in 2004. Over 1200 of them ‘lost’ and we ‘lost only 28. That’s a ‘win-ratio’ of almost 60-1, and they’ve been fighting their whole lives.
Put this in another scenario. You and your officemates think your local pro football team sucks , so you put together your own team of the best your company has and challenge them to a game. Even if your team might be good, they’re professionals. This is their job. Your job is to answer phones and type on a keyboard. In short, they’ve forgotten more than you will ever know about football. The result, will be a slaughter for you, and a practice for them. But at least you’ll get a chance to sit at home, ice your wounds and say ‘whew I never should’ve done that!’
Not so with combat. The results of combat are far...FAR..more permanent. There are no second chances, no time for regrets, and no do-overs. This is not Call of Duty.
Now I ‘d like to disperse a myth here - many of you think that US military would not fight civilians. I can’t speak for all, but in my case - the moment you declare civil war, you’re no longer civilians. The moment you attack the constitution, you’re now enemies of that constitution. And I swore to defend and support and if necessary give my life for that Constitution and utilize every tool, technique, and weapon at my disposal to do so. And trust me, I’m not alone.
I hope some of you heed my words and cool the rhetoric and focus on achieving your goals diplomatically instead of physically. It would never want to receive a frag order to Maryland, or North Dakota, or Texas, but it is an order I will follow no matter how much it pains me to do so.
This is lovely. The Left can all for the assassination of President Bush and for troops to frag their officers, but now we mush have civil discourse and dissent is treason.
This “call for civil war” is Democrat propaganda to paint the Right as violent, and this jarhead is playing right along.
The US military may not be used against American citizens, EVER. And when they do expect for them all to be slowly wiped out. Many will die including the innocent, but I will use every speck of training I got in the Army to defend my home, family, friends & neighbors from an invading force bent on supporting an evil tyrant. Even at my advanced age I can still shoot a gun and kill several of your troops before you get me. So can my brother, or my neighbor, or my wife, or my sons, or my ......
What Marine unit ran 5 miles to the range and ran 5 miles back?
NAME IT, please. Unless it’s Force Recon, I ain’t buying it. My BS flag is WAY up.
What I think is he’s an idiot. I couldn’t get past the pink ponies and yellow twinkly star idea that our voted for representatives are on our side.
I might remind him that the Marine Corps was all but disbanded in the “first†Civil War...with most of the officers going to the southern side I might add...(VMI grads).
the SECOND you start committing acts of violence and vandalism, then you've usurped that Constitution. You in a way have assaulted it. And then you and I (I being every servicemember who has sworn to defend said Constitution) will have a MAJOR PROBLEM.So, the author thinks that the Constitution is usurped only when "violence and vandalism" occur -- but when it is blatantly, openly, and wantonly defied BEFORE the vandalism (i.e., by the Congress), well, according to the author, that doesn't need to be mentioned.
Later, he goes on to talk about voters declaring "civil war" -- but, again, no mention of CONGRESS declaring war on the electorate.
Apparently, this Marine picks and chooses when he thinks the Constitution has been violated. No matter what he's faced in the field, he's got a lot of growing up to do.
CW2 Ping
Food for thought. Civil wars are particularly nasty wars, and, with the exception of the American Revolution, and the War between the States, they have all ended in dictatorship, and reign of terror.
The reason ours did not end that way is because one was led by George Washington, who, twice was handed power, and twice handed it back, and the other had two sides fighting for the preservation of what they saw as the Constitutional Republic founded in the Revolutionary war. But both were close run affairs in that respect. What if Gates had succeeded in getting command? What if the defeated Confederates had taken to the hills in a guerilla war?
What this marine describes is one of the dangers of having a professional military, but the alternative is a conscripted army. Mercenaries or slaves - take your pick.
My opinion from my observation is that a civil war is coming, and I hate the thought if it. I think the Obamanites and their ACORN allies are trying to provoke a civil war by destroying our faith in the electoral process.
It won’t be a two sided affair. There are too many fault lines, and everyone with an organized band of gunmen will take part, and with the Federal government verging on bankruptcy, it will not be able to field enough troops to restore order, and some, if not most, of their weaponry will fall into the hands of the contending armies.
And G-d help us.
>>I hope some of you heed my words and cool the rhetoric and focus on achieving your goals diplomatically instead of physically. It would never want to receive a frag order to Maryland, or North Dakota, or Texas, but it is an order I will follow no matter how much it pains me to do so.
“I was just following orders” has not been a very successful defense for the past 60 years or so. As he states in the article, he and his fellow Marines can easily mow us down like grass as they subjugate us in the name of Obama and the “newly reinterpreted” Constitution. But will he get the orders to indiscrimately shoot civilians, or will get the same kind of RoE’s that Marines have in Iraq where you can’t shoot an armed civilian unless he shoots at you? If he gets the Iraq-type RoE, his dreams of racking up a huge body count in Anytown, USA may be a little hard to achieve.
Even if he is able to win the war for Obama, it is likely that the Progressives in power in Soviet America after the war is won will turn against him and put him up against the same wall he put us against just short time before.
I pray that this guy does not represent the views of most Marines. I know that his views are not common among former Marines (or soldiers, or sailors, or airmen).
Fine, Sarge.
I see no troops at the New York Times, or the Senate, or the White house.
What went wrong?
I do not think there is such a person. I suspect it was written by pale, overweight "Journalist".
"The moment you attack the constitution, you're now enemies of that constitution." Yep! and it has already been done, he took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not a dictator. And I know many military officers, some for over 30 years, and some would refuse to fire on US citizens (unless first fired on). The article is pure BS. PURE WISHFULL THINKING ON THE LEFT.
And I am not advocating a military conflict. But if it comes to the point where the government is overthrown and the Constitution is ignored (it is now happening) then it is a case of "Whatever It Takes" to save the nation.
Doesn't seem to have much respect for us does he?
Doesn't realize that we are not a democracy but a Constitutional Republic.
Sounds like he is willing to obey an order to turn on his own countrymen if ordered even if the order is illegal, immoral or unConstitutional.
Would he be willing to disarm us at his CINC orders?
I think he should read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution again.
Who is calling for a Civil War?
This is just another attempt by the left to smear the Tea party / Conservative movement by making up a phony story.
FU, marine or not, FU. He isn’t a marine. It’s left wing BS. If he is a marine, he’s a POS. He speaks for himself. The day the military fights the citizens, it will be the end of the United States forever, nothing will matter.
I’m kind of longing for the day when we have ONE (the FIRST) Congressman charged with violating his/her oath of office.
Dream on, eh?
I attempted to make your principle point that it is fear of military force that keeps states from seceding. I have no doubt whatsoever that the Marine Corps and other branches would be used to put down a civil war. It was done in the past, and it would be done again. The basic ethical principle being employed is that might makes right. People no longer have the right to choose the form of government that operates in their best interest. Instead, the threat of violence has be be imposed to make people subservient to a government it does not want.
This MIGHT have been written by a Marine. Or, it might have been written by a clever lib imposter who wants us to grab our ankles and take it.
We do need to get on guard for these people...they seem to be scanning us, with posts like this.