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Eating less meat won't reduce global warming: study
AFP on Yahoo ^ | 3/22/10 | AFP

Posted on 03/22/2010 7:34:44 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 03/22/2010 7:34:44 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


2 posted on 03/22/2010 7:35:57 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NormsRevenge
Heresy! Everything produces Global Warming, including Al Gore!
3 posted on 03/22/2010 7:36:23 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: NormsRevenge

“Beefeaters Vodka” will like this.


4 posted on 03/22/2010 7:37:14 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Impeach Obama)
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To: NormsRevenge

I would get angry if I could never eat meat. Then things would really heat up!


5 posted on 03/22/2010 7:38:43 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

Lulz!


6 posted on 03/22/2010 7:39:54 PM PDT by cranked
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To: NormsRevenge

Paul McCartney can kiss my red-meat eating American butt.

On the menu for tomorrow, Beef Enchiladas. The next day, pot roast. Later in the week, smoked pork.

Yumm...!


7 posted on 03/22/2010 7:40:12 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Prayers for the Ft. Hood families, victims and soldiers.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Only problem is, there is ZERO evidence that CO2 at levels anywhere near as low as we have today is even capable of warming the planet.

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause [historically -etl]. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html
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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red, CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation/ice-age periods, approximately 100,000 years apart. Look carefully at the historical relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does this data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually *followed* temperature increases, lagging behind by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore continually and dishonestly uses this same data as "evidence" of a *positive* historical correlation between CO2 and temps. Furthermore, and importantly, the subsequent CO2 level increases (due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans) never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and company continue warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had ever led to any significant global warming when the levels were within 10-15 times of what they are today. -etl
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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M
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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change

ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) — Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193013.htm

8 posted on 03/22/2010 7:42:14 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Global Warming has become a comedic punch line...thanks for the laugh.


9 posted on 03/22/2010 7:42:25 PM PDT by BallyBill (WARNING:Taking me serious could cause stress related illness.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Less Meat = Less Heat," backed by former Beatle Paul McCartney, one of the world's best-known vegetarians.

Paul was never the "smart one."

10 posted on 03/22/2010 7:46:36 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: ETL
A bookmark & 'toon:


11 posted on 03/22/2010 7:47:10 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: prairiebreeze

Go easy on the beans, though. Those really ARE dangerous to the planet.


12 posted on 03/22/2010 7:47:59 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Reading drivel is detrimental to your essential mental functions.


13 posted on 03/22/2010 7:50:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: NormsRevenge
This may or may not be true - when ever I see a reference to ‘new study’ I know that the new whore in town is being paid to declare a ‘truth’ that will benefit some ‘John’ economically - I say this sadly as a trained engineer who once believed that science could safe guard some truth with integrity because of ‘The Scientific Method’!
14 posted on 03/22/2010 7:51:07 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, Obama said he ate dog, snake and grasshopper with Lolo:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545455,BSX-News-wotreegg09.stng


15 posted on 03/22/2010 7:53:55 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: musicman

Lol! Very good!


16 posted on 03/22/2010 7:57:53 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Thanks again for your #8 post!!


17 posted on 03/22/2010 8:08:35 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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You’re welcome. The evidence basically shows that CO2 levels rise historically in response to temperature increases due primarily to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans. Also that the rise in temps through much of the 1900s was strongly correlated with a sharp increase in solar activity.


18 posted on 03/22/2010 8:24:15 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Vegetarians will jump on almost anything to try to force people to quit eating meat. They have to, because most people just aren’t all that concerned that animals must be slaughtered for food.


19 posted on 03/22/2010 8:32:23 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Prior to the arrival of the European colonists, the Great Plains had enormous herds of Bison. In digging through the research about these herds, various scientists have estimated the number of animals. When you account for body weight, the Great Plains today are support roughly the same tonnage of cattle today as they supported in Bison up until the end of their freeranging days in the late 1800’s.


20 posted on 03/22/2010 8:38:18 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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