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Paper in China Sets Off Alarms in U.S.
NY Times ^ | March 20, 2010 | JOHN MARKOFF and DAVID BARBOZA

Posted on 03/20/2010 2:33:47 PM PDT by neverdem

It came as a surprise this month to Wang Jianwei, a graduate engineering student in Liaoning, China, that he had been described as a potential cyberwarrior before the United States Congress.

Larry M. Wortzel, a military strategist and China specialist, told the House Foreign Affairs Committee on March 1o that it should be concerned because “Chinese researchers at the Institute of Systems Engineering of Dalian University of Technology published a paper on how to attack a small U.S. power grid sub-network in a way that would cause a cascading failure of the entire U.S.”

When reached by telephone, Mr. Wang said he and his professor had indeed published “Cascade-Based Attack Vulnerability on the U.S. Power Grid” in an international journal called Safety Science last spring. But Mr. Wang said he had simply been trying to find ways to enhance the stability of power grids by exploring potential vulnerabilities.

“We usually say ‘attack’ so you can see what would happen,” he said. “My emphasis is on how you can protect this. My goal is to find a solution to make the network safer and better protected.” And independent American scientists who read his paper said it was true: Mr. Wang’s work was a conventional technical exercise that in no way could be used to take down a power grid.

The difference between Mr. Wang’s explanation and Mr. Wortzel’s conclusion is of more than academic interest. It shows that in an atmosphere already charged with hostility between the United States and China over cybersecurity issues, including large-scale attacks on computer networks, even a misunderstanding has the potential to escalate tension and set off an overreaction.

“Already people are interpreting this as demonstrating some kind of interest that China would have in disrupting the U.S. power grid,” said Nart Villeneuve, a researcher with...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; Technical
KEYWORDS: cascadingfailure; china; energy; power
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1 posted on 03/20/2010 2:33:47 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Gee, will it cut the power to all of our silos and nukular subs?


2 posted on 03/20/2010 2:37:58 PM PDT by dljordan (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: neverdem

This is China’s way of telling us not to default on our debt?


3 posted on 03/20/2010 2:38:36 PM PDT by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: neverdem

Just have Microslob publish false information about our power grid in efforts to confuse potential enemies. It works so well to secure their software from attacks.


4 posted on 03/20/2010 2:39:08 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: neverdem

We could also abolish what little is left of manufacturing in the USA (machines for shaping fast food items, for example) in efforts to bring down the Chinese economy. Oh...we’ve reportedly already been successfully doing that for over two years. Never mind.


5 posted on 03/20/2010 2:41:34 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: familyop

The alternative is to have Apple supply all the grid management software. Of course, to get that software, you also have to buy the entire grid from Apple.


6 posted on 03/20/2010 2:42:12 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: neverdem
I'm sure that we were already aware of the vulnerability.
And I'm even more sure we'll do nothing about it...
7 posted on 03/20/2010 2:42:49 PM PDT by Riodacat (Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Ha ha! Hilarious!


8 posted on 03/20/2010 2:44:57 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Fresh Wind
Of course, to get that software, you also have to buy the entire grid from Apple.

I'm glad Apple's prices are so low /sarcasm of course

9 posted on 03/20/2010 2:44:58 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Apple, Microsoft...same thing. Linux is heading that way, too. ;-) I like NetBSD (business friendly license, no liberal politics required, most stable and secure).


10 posted on 03/20/2010 2:46:07 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: neverdem

Our critical infrastructure should definitely rely on a network that has secure access points..


11 posted on 03/20/2010 2:46:21 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: neverdem


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

12 posted on 03/20/2010 2:46:45 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: neverdem

Trust me, as someone who worked on the power grid control systems — we need all the Wang Jianwei’s we can get. His is a form of contingency analysis, after all.

To a dedicated attacker, circa 20 years ago, the system was very vulnerable of a cheap but carefully executed attack. Some systems have improved, but ...


13 posted on 03/20/2010 2:50:11 PM PDT by bvw
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To: neverdem

All you power grid are belong to us...


14 posted on 03/20/2010 3:13:52 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (What a fool believes, No wise man has the power to reason away)
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To: bvw

This is good news.

These things used to be highly classified military secrets that we could learn of only from defectors.
Every actual and hypothetical cyberattack that does not kill us makes us stronger.


15 posted on 03/20/2010 3:21:42 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: neverdem

huh, you mean that tidbit didnt go with the Loral Missle tech from the Clintons to Chi-coms in the 80’s in exchange for the campaign money?..........I’m shocked

Well, I’m sure some Enviro./ Warmer would be glad to hand over the electronic porthole to our grid system...

all in the name of reducing the “footprint”


16 posted on 03/20/2010 3:30:48 PM PDT by sbark
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To: bvw
Why bother with a cyber attack?

6 guys with high powered rifles could take out the grid for half the eastern seaboard.

17 posted on 03/20/2010 3:35:38 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: RC one
This is China’s way of telling us not to default on our debt?

The great thing about having half of the United States owned by China is that it makes the idea of attacking us much less appealing.

18 posted on 03/20/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by john in springfield
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To: neverdem

They need to be watched.


19 posted on 03/20/2010 3:43:34 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: neverdem
"And independent American scientists who read his paper said it was true: Mr. Wang’s work was a conventional technical exercise..."

An independent American who reads the NY Times, says this is a photo of one of the Time's "independant American scientist:"


20 posted on 03/20/2010 3:49:34 PM PDT by drpix
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