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To: mnehring

My “birther” comment is that he chose to run for the office so the onus is on him to prove that he’s eligible. The onus isn’t on Orly Taitz or anyone else to prove he’s not, especially since the only source of the proof is the document that Hawaii won’t release.

Until I see an authentic long-form birth certificate with a doctor’s name and the hospital info I won’t consider him my president. He’s just a guy that lives in that house.


25 posted on 03/17/2010 1:47:25 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: Two Kids' Dad; mnehring
"Until I see an authentic long-form birth certificate with a doctor’s name and the hospital info I won’t consider him my president."

It's much more than that though. Even if he were born in HI, a determination would need to be made that someone born a subject to a foreign crown (in Barry's case, that would be Great Britain), could in fact be considered a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.

30 posted on 03/17/2010 1:54:52 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Two Kids' Dad

I believe the point of those who follow the NBC path as defined by Vattel’s “Laws of Nations” (in which much of the legal definitions in the Constitution were based), it doesn’t matter what is in the Birth Certificate. To be a Natural Born Citizen, he has to be born to two citizen parents so he doesn’t have dual national loyalties.

With this route, all the fuss about the BC is unnecessary- there just needs to be a high enough ruling to officially define O’s NBC status in this case.

This path doesn’t need any of the weird conspiracies, contrived document experts, or fraudsters searching around Kenya for a BC- it just needs a court with jurisdiction to rule on the matter.


33 posted on 03/17/2010 1:58:22 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Two Kids' Dad
Until I see an authentic long-form birth certificate

We should all agree with the CommiecRATs that the released COLB forgery, is a true bc. It shows Dad to be Barack Hussein Obama, therefor Junior is NOT a Natural Born Citizen and is the Resident, not the President

44 posted on 03/17/2010 2:34:19 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
Until I see an authentic long-form birth certificate with a doctor’s name and the hospital info I won’t consider him my president. He’s just a guy that lives in that house.

Even after that, the fact remains that his father was not a US citizen at the time of his birth, or ever. Thus, IF born in Hawaii, he is a 14th amendment "citizen at birth", not an Article II Section 1 "Natural Born Citizen".

The Supreme Court could tell me I'm wrong about that.

74 posted on 03/17/2010 4:31:20 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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