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How tea parties echo '60s protests
NY Post ^ | March 15, 2010 | MICHAEL BARONE

Posted on 03/15/2010 2:39:13 AM PDT by Scanian

The political commentariat doesn't know what to make of those thousands of Americans who've spontaneously thronged to tea parties and town-hall meetings to oppose the big-government programs of the Obama administration and Democratic Congress.

Some on the left attack them as fascists or racists, though evidence of that is sorely lacking. David Brooks in The New York Times compared them to the New Left campus radicals of the '70s, which comes closer but doesn't quite ring true.

I think the tea partiers bear an uncanny resemblance to the antiwar activists in the Vietnam War period.

Like the tea partiers, the antiwar folk didn't start off affiliated with one political party. They campaigned against an incumbent Democratic president and his political heir in 1968. Four years later, some supported Rep. Pete McCloskey's antiwar primary challenge to Richard Nixon. The tea partiers have plenty of corrosive things to say about the GOP politicians of the last decade, and at least some of them may support likeminded Democrats.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barone; demonstrations; teaparties; teaparty; townhalls; vietnamprotests
The main resemblance I hope they end up having is success in accomplishing their objectives.
1 posted on 03/15/2010 2:39:13 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian
"I think the tea partiers bear an uncanny resemblance to the antiwar activists in the Vietnam War period."-Michael Barone

Sheeet... The so-called "anti-war" activists (leaders of the movement) were phonies! They weren't really opposed to war and violence. They sided with the North Vietnamese and VietCong. The same type of people running the "peace" movement then are running it today. Communist Party USA, Workers World Party and the Revolutionary Communist Party run it today. It is deplorable to compare Tea Party people in any way to this traitor scum in sheep's clothing!

CPUSA's "anti-war" front group is 'United for Peace and Justice'

Workers World Party's "anti-war" front groups are 'ANSWER' and 'Troops Out Now'

The Revolutionary Communist Party's "anti-war" front groups are 'World Can't Wait', 'Refuse and Resist', and 'Not In Our Name'

2 posted on 03/15/2010 3:11:52 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Scanian; All

What a steaming pant load.

There is no comparison whatsoever, and as someone who has taken part in and met many Tea Partiers, I am offended by the comparison to 60’s radicals.

The vast majority of Tea Party participants are job-holding, tax-paying, patriotic men and women of non-college age who believe in the basic goodness and concept that is America.

We aren’t doing it to keep from going to war.

We aren’t doing it because we are bored.

We aren’t doing for the sex.

We aren’t doing it for the drugs.

Most people I have met involved in the Tea Parties wish they could be home with their families or doing something productive.


3 posted on 03/15/2010 3:22:26 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

I agree. All the actions in which I’ve taken part have been as you describe. Tea partiers have other responsibilities, but take time from them because they’re afraid for their country and their children. It’s not done to avoid service or to be part of something trendy.


4 posted on 03/15/2010 3:25:34 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Scanian

But most of all, we don’t have the enemies of the United States of America praying fervently for our success, as the liberal anti-Americans in Europe, USSR, PRC, North Vietnam and North Korea did for the success of the Anti-war movement.

All these same people hope the Tea Party movement fails.


5 posted on 03/15/2010 3:25:55 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: Think free or die

Well said. As you can probably tell, I have a deep seated hatred for 60’s radicals and the anti-war movement, and I consider it an insult of the highest order to have these good and decent Tea Party protesters compared to scumbags like them.


6 posted on 03/15/2010 3:28:18 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: Scanian
Antiwar Democrats beat hawks in primaries and then lost general elections. The disarray of the 1968 Democratic national convention helped beat Hubert Humphrey, and the antiwar 1972 nominee George McGovern lost 49 states. Some antiwar folks voiced an anti-Americanism that turned off ordinary voters. . . . The Democrats before 1968 were a pro-Cold War party. Since 1968 they have been, with occasional exceptions, a dovish party. Hawks need not apply. . . . It's not clear whether the tea partiers' influence on Republicans will last as long as the antiwar cohort's imprint on Democrats."

By 1968 the "anti-war" movement owned the MSM. The TV networks had replaced newspapers as the main source of news for many Americans.

Even before that the networks sometimes described the "anti-war," "free speech" rabble as the most intelligent generation in history.

That ain't going to happen vis-a-vis the Tea Party. Just the opposite but..

There was no Internet and there was nothing like modern talk radio because the "Fairness Doctrine" enabled the left to use complaints as weapons to threaten broadcasting licenses of station owners.

Elections were the only free speech -- except for a few limited-circulation publications.

We were not the silent generation we were the silenced generation.

The 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus/street revolutionary rabble took over the Democratic Party and drove many liberals (denounced as "Neo-Cons") out of the party.

Hello! Rat Party.

7 posted on 03/15/2010 3:35:02 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Scanian

We can much more accurately be compared to the original Sons of Liberty.


8 posted on 03/15/2010 3:41:52 AM PDT by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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To: rlmorel
“Well said. As you can probably tell, I have a deep seated hatred for 60’s radicals and the anti-war movement, and I consider it an insult of the highest order to have these good and decent Tea Party protesters compared to scumbags like them.”

I agree. As a viet vet who went over during the early years (1965 -66) and then afterward went to college on the GI bill starting in the fall of 1969 I had the opportunity to observe the anti-war movement through two sets of lenses. My take on the thesis of the article that the Tea Parties echo 60’s protests holds no water. The 60’s anti-war movement primarily consisted of young college age students (and drop-out punks later on) who had a self-agrandized perception of themselves as too valuable and too privileged to go serve and possibly put their precious lives at risk. the Tea Party movement is made up of responsible people with jobs or who have retired after a life time of working. Two completely different demographics.

9 posted on 03/15/2010 3:53:40 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: rlmorel
We aren’t doing it to keep from going to war.

Many are doing it to keep from paying taxes.

10 posted on 03/15/2010 4:57:57 AM PDT by drubyfive
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To: All
If the "tea parties echo '60s protests" where's their MSM support, who's their Cronkite? and for which foreign country does he represent?

History proved McCarthy, with zero charisma, was substantially correct. But at the time Edward R. Murrow, March 9, 1954, gave the green light to destroy Joe McCarthy by any means necessary.

Fourteen years later Walter "NV Communists' Most Trusted Man in America" Cronkite signaled that it was urgent to ignore the Communists' biggest of all defeats (the 1968 Tet Offensive had been a total disaster for the Communists) and save the Communists' "struggle" by efforts here in the U.S. -- thus NV General Giap described post-war that the U.S. media was his "most valuable guerrilla." Who is the tea parties admiring foreign general?

BTW, that same year the signal for rampant anti-administration reporting was the simplest of all. The election of Richard Nixon.

11 posted on 03/15/2010 5:14:32 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: drubyfive

Yes...true...but most are not doing it solely for the selfish reason of not wanting to pay more taxes, but because most of them realize how high taxes hobble the economy, destroy jobs and generally dim the future for their children.

But...yes. We all do have that selfish interest as well. I don’t see a problem with that...after all, capitalism is based on self-interest...:)


12 posted on 03/15/2010 5:35:00 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

I imagine Barone would ascribe higher motivations to many war resisters, too.


13 posted on 03/15/2010 5:39:27 AM PDT by drubyfive
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To: snoringbear

Thanks for your service, snoringbear. To be honest, it was the treatment by the antiwar movement of men like you that cemented my vehement dislike of them.

My dad was in the Navy at the time, and we lived in Japan and the Philippines during the most tumultous years of the Sixties (1967-1972) and for me, to read about the things those people had to say about people like my father, my friend’s fathers, and men like you, just pissed me off.

I vowed, if I could contribute anything in any way, I would not give the left free reign to slander and mistreat our military the way they did during and after Vietnam.

Fortunately, I have found I am not alone in this sentiment, and that there are a lot of Americans now who are not just going to sit back and let the left do as it pleases.

I love you characterization of many of those anti-war demonstrators as having a “...self-agrandized perception of themselves as too valuable and too privileged to go serve and possibly put their precious lives at risk...”

That is just SPOT ON!


14 posted on 03/15/2010 5:42:54 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

Well put rlmorel! I was around back in the anti Vietnam war protest era. There was little comparison to today other than a distrust of our government and trying to have a voice in matters that affected those who protested. But, that could be said about any protest movement. So, why compare?

I think the Tea Party movement is larger (for the time span we are in) and is truly grass roots.

Oh, another contrast to the Vietnam war protests...we proudly carry the American flag in our protests, they burned them.


15 posted on 03/15/2010 5:47:15 AM PDT by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: drubyfive

I am sure Barone would, as I am sure many of those anti-war protesters did, and the Code Pink and Moveon.org scumbags do.

However, it doesn’t make it a morally justifiable stand because they BELIEVE it is so.

I think, if you allow yourself to believe a lie when the information is freely available to see the truth, that it does not relieve you of your responsibility for your actions when they turn out badly.

I look at what happened when we left South Vietnam twisting in the wind and refused to support them when the NVA came into the south. The bloodbath and misery after the war ended were predicted by many, yet those who were responsible shrug their shoulders as if there is no blood on their hands and they were innocent bystanders.

In the same way, if our economy is shattered irreparably by this prospective tin-pot dictator in charge currently, will these people agitating in his favor shoulder any of the responsibility for the results? I think not.


16 posted on 03/15/2010 5:50:54 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

Amen to that. Another attempt to slap a label on what is the truest grassroots movement in centuries. The mainstream can’t or won’t grasp that.


17 posted on 03/15/2010 5:51:13 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: drubyfive
We aren’t doing it to keep from going to war.
Many are doing it to keep from paying ruinously confiscatory taxes.

18 posted on 03/15/2010 6:26:13 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ( DRAFT PALIN)
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To: snoringbear
The 60’s anti-war movement primarily consisted of young college age students

Just like today, the organizers were/are older established communists who were/are anything BUT "anti-war". They worship(ed) monsters like Mao, Che, Castro and even Stalin. Hard to be an anti-war pacifist when these are ones heroes.

19 posted on 03/15/2010 7:08:09 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Scanian
I think the tea partiers bear an uncanny resemblance to the antiwar activists in the Vietnam War period.

I, too, have been around for both, Mr. Barone, and I think you have been into the wacky weed...

20 posted on 03/15/2010 7:11:34 AM PDT by mewzilla (No taxation without representation!)
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To: Wpin

Exactly. I did a photographic comparison between the 2007 Anti-War protests in Washington by the Leftists (The GOE counterprotest) and the Taxpayer March on Washington on 9/12/2009.

One of the things I noticed apart from the lack of originality by the leftists with their signage was the lack of American flags, and the profusion of Che Guevara flags and t-shirts.

That, and the absolute mess the leftists created everywhere they walked. (By comparison, our side had policed all areas, used the trash containers and stacked the trash neatly to the side when they became full...)


21 posted on 03/15/2010 9:18:09 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; drubyfive

Good correction...perhaps that is what the original poster meant to say...:)

As a conservative, I am not against taxes per se. I don’t have a problem paying them for things like national defense and so on.

I just detest having money taken from me to fund the NEA, PBS and ACORN, to name just a few...


22 posted on 03/15/2010 9:20:16 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: SueRae

I suspect in their case, they are deliberately trying to avoid recognizing that fact, and have tried multiple ways to apply slanderous or disparaging labels to us, the most offensive being “Teabaggers”.

Humorously, they are trying to get this idiotic movement going called “Coffee Parties”, which the Huffington Post characterizes as “a Tea Party alternative”.

I know I shouldn’t be surprised at this, coming from a part of the political spectrum for which history begins yesterday, and anything before that either doesn’t apply or exist, or serves only to be twisted to suit their political needs.

I’ll bet 100 bucks that the moron(s) who thought the “Coffee Party” concept up wouldn’t even be able to intelligently discuss the original Boston Tea Party’s causes, but...

Would be unable to even name the city it took place in. I can just see it now: Sir, do you know what city the “Boston Tea Party” took place in?

“Uhhhh....?”


23 posted on 03/15/2010 9:27:26 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

I had forgotten about the cleanliness of our march(es). I was at the March on Washington and was absolutely amazed by how clean the people were. Contrast that with pictures of any left wing event...like the last inauguration which left the area looking horrible.

The left are truly piggish and crass by nature. It is part of what makes them leftist I think.


24 posted on 03/15/2010 10:31:04 AM PDT by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: rlmorel
Would be unable to even name the city it took place in. I can just see it now: Sir, do you know what city the “Boston Tea Party” took place in?

I agree that those who comprised the 60's radicals in no way at personal levels, or in mission statement resemble tea partiers. Conservative protest has it’s roots way back there in the ‘60’s as well.

Every 4th of July week from 1966-1974 at the Statler Hilton (now Park Plaza) I was in Boston with my folks at what was known as the Rally for God Family and Country.

We let off red, white, and blue balloons in the park right outside the hotel with the conservative message: "Victory in the sky on the 4th of July" -- a rallying cry calling for Victory in Vietnam/Southeast Asia. I counter-marched the 1969 anti-war Moratoriums in DC and participated in 3 Marches for Victory in Vietnam that followed in 1970 and 1971.

I’m on assignment in Boston as I write this post – from this same hotel in fact. Scott Brown delivered his victory speech in the Ballroom!

These are the tea partiers of today.

I respect Barone's grasp of political history and what Barone is saying is that there are "forces" not necessarily personalities that are carrying the debate today.

I don't see him comparing the tea partiers on a personal level at all to the anti-war protesters, but we are a movement which is harnessing "forces" present today which are much larger and cut across a wide demographic.

The anti-war crowd hijacked those forces and sentiments of that era. Every tea partier by contrast is doing his or her part and that aggregating "force" is propelling this present movement forward.

We are "out-Alinskying" them. You can’t freeze and polarize any one of us as an aggregated force, but we can pillory, polarize and destroy Pelosi, Reid, and Obama with great success.

And we are!

FReegards!


25 posted on 03/15/2010 5:03:16 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: Agamemnon; Matthew James

I can agree on your interpretation of Barone’s assessment, I just think he takes such a circuitous route that his point is largely lost.

In short, I think the statement by Matthew James is more accurate, that the people involved in the Tea Party movement are more like the Sons of Liberty.

I know that they had their OWN share of cranks and malcontents too (I have heard that Samuel Adams was regarded as one of the greatest malcontents there were) so I think we are in good company.


26 posted on 03/15/2010 5:29:05 PM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: Agamemnon

Also, the forces in this case (the Tea Party movement) are mostly positive and constructive forces, that if adopted will mean good things for this country.

When the radicals of the 60’s hijacked the Democrat party and marginalized or forced out many of the genuinely patriotic and serious politicians, they did untold damage to this country, and we reaped on November 5, 2009 what was sowed in the 1960’s.


27 posted on 03/15/2010 5:33:13 PM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: Wpin
Wasn't that a great event? I suspect you would appreciate this analysis I did after that event (on 9/12/2009) to demonstrate a basic difference between liberalism and conservatism:


28 posted on 03/15/2010 5:37:36 PM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

Great job! It is very easy to see the differences.
Thanks


29 posted on 03/15/2010 6:07:14 PM PDT by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: Wpin

Thought you would appreciate it...:)


30 posted on 03/15/2010 6:11:40 PM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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