Posted on 03/12/2010 6:03:29 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
According to Toyota, as reported by the Wall Street Journal, ABC's report on potential acceleration problems shows the tachometer at 6,000 RPM when evidence of the vehicle shows it is in park. ABC has replaced the video (never a good sign). Further, this story involves a manipulation of the electronics in question. Toyota's counter offensive came on the same day an out of control Prius was stopped with help from police on a San Diego freeway.
Whether or not Toyota product has rapid acceleration problems is becoming the "Elvis sightings" equivalent of the automotive industry. As such, it could be a reputation, fairly or unfairly, that lingers with Toyota for a long time.
What does this mean?
I'm sure ABC had some....... uhhh........ documents...... to back up their claims. Right?
i noticed that dispatcher asked type of car first....i wondered if people are piling on. seems strange
Maybe Obama promised that he wouldn’t preempt their prime time shows for a while if they ran this scam for him.
Sorry. Don’t buy it. I heard (as most of you have) the 911 “conversation” between that driver of the runaway Prius and the dispatcher. That wasn’t faked.
Toyota’s in a world of hurt and they have SERIOUS problems, far beyond P.R. issues.
Now all of you loyal, “I LOVE my Toyota” types can relax. We can’t damn an entire line of cars/trucks in one fell swoop, but to deny that Toyota has potentially deadly issues to deal with in multiple models is now undeniable.
Any of you ever work for a huge corporation that put “profits” over.....well, anything else? Hell, I sure have.
Something, indeed, STINKS!
ABC News is owned by the Walt Disney Company.
You are on the wrong web site.
I believe it was ABC who did the expose on dual gas tanks on Chevy’s that blew up on impact..
2 weeks later i got a great deal on a Chevy with dual tanks,it was a work horse for 6 yrs and took a 50% loss when i sold it..
I noticed that the San Diego, Prius driver recently filed bankruptcy and ran a porn business.
Anybody that needs to be told to stand on the brake, set the parking brake, and turn off the engine, is suspect in my book.
Am I now.....now just WTF does that mean, slick?
I find it interesting that these people manage to dial 911 on their cell phone, but don’t have the presence of mind to drop the car into neutral.
Now, ABC erred in re-creating the cutaway shot of the tachometer, without noting that it was a re-creation. They should have said it was a simulation of what's been happening to some Toyotas, instead of letting the cutaway go as something they captured live while shooting the story.
BS. I do not even like Toyo/Lexus. If they had a safety issue then cars would be crashing all over the USA and the rest of the world.
You sound like a UAW member or Obama supporter. Toyota’s and Lexuses are good cars but are incredibly overrated and often their owners are idiot libs.
Whoa! It was NBC and they had to use model rocket engines to ignite the tanks on impact. They could not get em to blow.
GM pretty much owned General Electric (NBC) but GM should have sued em for every penny. They settled. GE is a scum company.
Yes it was faked. Read up on it, there are numerous articles and he is one step from getting arrested.
Last year, we had balloon boy. This year, it’s Prius boy.
Probably. What media outlet pulled that stunt last time? Staging car problems and passing it them off as true?
-——————Sorry. Don’t buy it. I heard (as most of you have) the 911 “conversation” between that driver of the runaway Prius and the dispatcher.-—————
This topic requires a bit of expert separation.
-————That wasn’t faked.-—————
I totally agree, that wasn’t faked at all. Which damns ABCNews all the more.
If they have real and true examples to work with, why do they have to fake the news?
————Toyota’s in a world of hurt and they have SERIOUS problems, far beyond P.R. issues.-——————
Toyota is laying in the bed that they made.
And now, ABC is also laying in that same bed. They didn’t have to stage the news, they have real world examples to work with. They *CHOSE* to stage the news and now ABC too has PR issues to deal with.
Yeah, I know. Which makes me wonder, what grudge is Disney Corp. holding against Toyota Corp.?
Yeah NBC,ABC,CBS they are all the same as we speak we are looking for a great deal on Toyota’s..
I was gonna buy a red Dodge Challenger R/T after barry took over GM i gave it a pass..
It is ABC, who cares? They lie, even if once in a while they tell the truth, who can trust them? Who cares?
These are drive via IP type cars. Honda has a accelerator that uses a blue tooth like sensor in the accelerator pedal that controls the throttle...there is no direct connection from pedal to thottle in their civic. Toyota does something similar. If something is frying the circuitry or perhaps scrambling the electronics, then the engines are going to go haywire. The systems are wireless which makes me wonder if hackers could use a device to remotely reprogram or scramble these systems. I’ll bet space based satellites could do it with sufficiently focused targeting systems.
Disney is just doing the Obama/UAW plan to hit Toyota and foreign car companies with non-union plants in right to work states.
I think it is all about enriching trial lawyers, helping GM and getting UAW thugs/parasites into BMW, Toyo, Subarau, Nissan, Hyundai, Honda, Mercedes plants in the USA.
It means you don’t think the right way! Sometimes I think I’m on the wrong web site.
“what grudge is Disney Corp. holding against Toyota Corp.?”
What you should ask is— “What will Disney/ABC get or has gotten from the US government for shilling for them?”
I trust ABC far less than a company that works off of 50 year business plans!
Just remember, GM is now majority owned by the U.S. government and the UAW!!
Now step back and reconsider everything from that light.
I think I'll buy a RAV-4 just to spite 'em.
I'm sorry but I don't own a Toyota and absolutely hate the Prius and most of the folks that drive them but that 911 call was just plain stupid. I was curious about all of the reported issues but now it's starting to seem very fishy. I remember the hit job done on Audi back in the 80's and this is starting to sound like the same crap.
Prisuism: “Hey, it’s stuck and I can’t get it down!”
Bluetooth-like? Come on.
These systems are mechanical-linkage-less, they’re not wireless!
Slick?
Exactly! But it will cost Toyota millions to fight the U.S. government. A mad U.S. government will not give up for years. They will use the power of U.S. government regulatory agencies to try to hound Toyota into submission.
They want Toyota to offer the government a controlling interest in Toyota. It will never end.
Toyota's ads are now directing the hearts and minds of everyone who now owns or ever owned a Toyota to think again
about the relationship they have or had with Toyota and it's dealers.
Glad they are cashing in on several years of the relationship they have with many of the U.S. population.
Now I for one, trust Toyota far more than the U.S. government. My Toyota's gave me great service and then I still had a value at the end of the ownership cycle.
Who among you can say that about any branch of the U.S. government (except the military)?
Government takes over GM—top selling competitor becomes a safety danger. Coincidence? I’ve had Toyota’s since 1980. Dependable, great cars.
soetoro is a congenital liar, first and foremost. Start there and work your way down.
So why is it that many hundreds of thousands of Toyota cars in all the other countries around the world have never had an acceleration problem? Could it be that those countries don’t have governments that own a competing auto company? This stinks to high heaven.
That was NBC. They planted explosive devices in the saddle tanks. A GM spokesman got a copy of the video and it showed the fuses burning prior to the impact.
They are used to dialing 911 when McDonald's runs out of McNuggets.
Everything you said is undiluted hogwash.
It is in fact a Drive by Wire system, the same system employed by nearly ever manufacturer.
Signals created by movement of the pedal are sent, via a wire, to the ECU where it is converted into a different signal which opens the throttle body.
It is a fully wired system.
Why would a manufacturer spend hundreds of dollars on a wireless system when 5 cents worth of copper wire will do the same?
The part about possible spaced based hackers causing the problem I will leave to Art Bell.
Cheers,
knewshound
A friend of mine wrecked her Toyota a couple of days ago. The accelerator stuck and she said she could not get the car in neutral. It seems odd that this has popped up all of a sudden, but the problem is real.
I’ve owned one Toyota pickup, and was not impressed. I’ve also talked to a few Toyota dealers, and all of them tried the standard flim-flam stuff some car dealers will pull on the unsuspecting. These include adding scotch guarding and underbody rustproofing before putting the vehicles on the lot (and charging extra); installing after-market A/Cs and cruise controls and not telling the customer they’re aftermarket and therefore not covered by Toyota under warranty (and are also generally of inferior workmanship); etching the VIN # into the window glass and charging extra for it; and the classic doubling the sales tax scam. In Texas, sales tax on autos is only paid on the difference between the trade-in and the new car price, so if your trade-in is worth $10,000 and the new car sells for $20,000, you only pay tax on $10,000. One of them tried to charge sales tax on the entire vehicle price and pocket the difference. A lot of dealers try these scams, but I ran into some or all of them at every Toyota dealership I checked out.
Two of my friends traded in their Chevy pickups and got Toyotas. Both raved about them for about six months. One sold the Toyota after about a year and bought another Chevy. The other one has had consistent problems and keeps saying he wishes someone would steal it. In all fairness to Toyota, that one had an aftermarket turbocharger put on it, and I think that fubared the electronics.
As I noted on another post, a friend of mine wrecked her Toyota this week. She said she tried to put the car into neutral but could not get the shifter to move. Toyota has advised people to put their cars in neutral if they run into the acceleration problem.
Good Lord in Heaven. I’ve been on this site since ‘98....and now I’m being called a UAW member, Obama supporter, told I’m “on the wrong site”, etc., etc.
Makes me wonder what FR is becoming.
Use your heads and lose the conspiracy theories. There have been dozens of these incidents and more than a few have resulted in fatalities.
I don’t give a flying fiddler’s damn about ABC....we all know they’re liars. To equate legitimate criticism of Toyota with defense of ABC is beyond the pale.
Some of you folks should be ashamed of yourselves.
I’m to the right of Godzilla and I’ve been here for over a decade, so stick your pathetic, infantile attempts at insults.
Now try actually using your freakin’ head, for once. Do I have to point out the stupidity of your “argument”?
God how I loathe “keyboard cowboys”...
-——————Use your heads and lose the conspiracy theories.-——————
All I did was ask the question, why is ABC choosing sides here.
But ok. Let’s not ask the question and simply stick with what’s known, provable, and verified.
ABC lied. You know it and I know it. It’s been proven. They even had to what...... change the video on their website did they not? They had real life examples of information that they could have used and instead they created a P.R. fiasco for themselves.
That’s what this thread is about.
—————There have been dozens of these incidents and more than a few have resulted in fatalities.——————
Which does not give ABC a blank check to stage the things it wishes.
-———I don’t give a flying fiddler’s damn about ABC————
They’ve been propagandizing our nation for decades, you should care.
Anybody they consider an enemy is a friend of mine. Therefore, I stand with toyota and against ABC. For me, it is that simple.
Toyota does *NOT* deserve any defence for it’s products proven faulty, but anybody including toyota deserves defence against propagandists who masquerade as journalists. And that’s where I stand.
-———To equate legitimate criticism of Toyota with defense of ABC is beyond the pale.-———
If that was what came across from my posting I appologize. That was not my intent.
But ABC deserves all the egg that’s on it’s face for this. If they want their credibility back they are simply going to have to stop taking sides and stop manufacturing the news.
Surely you can agree with that.
My post was to the whole thread here.....but since you responded thusly:
I guess you missed the part earlier when I said I don’t give a flyin’ fiddler’s damn about those lying bastards at ABC.
Now, why don’t you scroll up and satisfy my curiosity here. Where do you get even the slightest hint that I’m actually defending ABC? I’m really curious. This oughta be good.
Erasmus wrote:
“Hey, it’s stuck and I can’t get it down!”
I had an ex that use to say something similar...
Damn, I miss him.
/S
I was nice before and not insulting. I don’t care if you have been here a hundred years - you are still an idiot. Probably some UAW retiree. Beat it gramps - you are a moron.
Aw quitcher bitchin', newbie ...
Long time, ROl. Stay well ............. FRegards
There was no “error”. It was a deliberate falsification and inteneded to mislead.
Liberal media is intent on helping “Gov’t Motors” and is doing so at the behest of the Administration.
You sound as if people who buy Toyotas are subject to different sales techniques then those who buy American cars. What nonsense. No one is ever forced to buy undercoating and as someone who had 22 years in the business I can tell you hat with the rust guarantees from the mfg, no dealer I knew of after 1995 ever “rustproofed” their cars, before sales and made the customer pay.
AS for the double sales tax charge, there are laws against that and to suggest somehow Toyota is responsible is just plain foolish. Besides, anyone stupid enough to fall for these 100 yr old gimmicks deserves what they get. The are proving the laws of natural selection are alive and well.
I think there’s a recall on your tinfoil hat.
Toyota DOES have serious issues, and they ARE dealing with them.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100112/CARNEWS/100119974
Once this modification is in place, there will never again be a runaway Toyota in the news, unless it truly is a fake report.
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