Posted on 03/12/2010 12:50:11 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion
The House Democratic leadership now expects to schedule a vote on the Senate health care bill and send it to President Obama's desk next Friday, March 19, or Saturday, March 20.
After that, assuming the bill passes, it will turn to making adjustments to that legislation through a reconciliation bill, which it would then send to the Senate. There are still some procedural details to work out; for instance, rather than passing the Senate bill as a stand-alone measure, it may "deem" the bill to be passed as part of the procedural vote that brings the reconciliation bill to the floor. (JNS wrote about this "self-executing rule" here.) The political argument for doing it in this contorted manner is to avoid forcing House Democrats to go on the record as supporting some of the more egregious provisions in the Senate bill, such as the "Cornhusker Kickback." But the result would be the same: The Senate bill would be on its way to becoming law.
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Damnit this pisses me off. What do we do!!! Im furious
“Lock and load” might not be such awful advice, provided we run out of other options. Fortunately, we still have one: vote the illegitimate SOB’s out of office.
IN the end, I don’t understand how the “slaughter rule” helps them. Voting for the rule will be a vote for the Senate bill. It will be reported that way, voters will treat it that way, advertising that says they voted for the bill will be deemed to be factual.
And for those with morals, they will KNOW they voted for the Senate bill, even if it isn’t a role call vote on the Senate bill.
They gain nothing.
I still don’t know how adopting a rule can, all by itself, also count as voting on legislation — in the case I’ve seen it explained, the initial rule simply established the underlying legislation as the starting point, they still voted on final legislation.
The problem then is that the Senate bill wouldn’t be “deemed passed” until the reconcilation passed the house, but the house can’t consider reconciliation until the Senate bill is signed into law.
“but the house can’t consider reconciliation until the Senate bill is signed into law”
There is no reconciliation in the house. What they are doing is putting together a bill that can be reconciled in the senate. They will pass this bill and deem Obamacare approved (slaughter solution). This is their cover. The senate may or may not get the reconciliation done but Obamacare will be signed into law.
House and Senate Democrats are sharpening the knives by which they will be cutting their own political throats if they insist on passing this corrupt legislation.
I have heard nothing contrary — except from Politico and from Pelosi — that they can get around passing the Senate bill intact and sending to the prez for signature. Pelosi even gave away the game today by saying it would be a “celebration,” which sounds to me like a double-cross on reconciliation.
The House will also have to pass its reconciliation bill and send it to the Senate.
Keep calling all House members 202-224-3121
Right. They will deem the senate bill approved. This is their endgame.
Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts.
PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District
Code Red” - House Target List on Health Care
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)
On the Bubble (Major developments from the “yes” and “no” columns in the House)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467046/posts
“Pelosi even gave away the game today by saying it would be a “celebration,” which sounds to me like a double-cross on reconciliation.”
I agree entirely. Bit of a Freudian slip IMHO as it really doesn’t behoove her politically to signal this double-cross.
check out Hugh Hewitt website. He has a email system to send letters to Blue Dogs.
http://hughhewitt.com
He also has a link to the Tim Burns, the Republican trying to take Murtha’s old seat.
Send him a contribution to send a message to the Democrats.
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