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To: Yo-Yo

the bids were not $5B apart.

The AF abitrarily added cost to Boeing’s bid for risk. The GAO found a math error in the AF numbers and the Boeing bid was actually the lower bid.

this is even after the AF neglected real world issues like ramp space.


14 posted on 02/24/2010 5:30:41 PM PST by djwright (I know who's my daddy, do you?)
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To: djwright
I did not say the bids were $5 billion apart. I said that the contract was expected to be around $40 billion based on prior attempts to lease or sole source the KC-767.

The competition by NG-EADS brought the costs down to $35 billion.

The tanker Boeing bid was based on a civil Boeing 767-200LRF, which has never been built, which violated the spirit of the requirement that the tanker aircraft be based on COTS airframes.

The NG-EADS tanker was the same airframe as is being delivered to the RAAF.

And for this bid, the requirement is for a boom that can deliver 1,200 GPM. The A330 MRTT boom can deliver 1,200 GPM. The Boom that Boeing built for the Italian and Japanese KC-767s can only deliver 900 GPM.

If Boeing wins this contract, they will have to develop a 1,200 GPM boom, causing extra uncertanity in their ability to deliver on time.

19 posted on 02/24/2010 5:47:25 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: djwright
The AF abitrarily added cost to Boeing’s bid for risk. The GAO found a math error in the AF numbers and the Boeing bid was actually the lower bid.

February 13, 2007 WASHINGTON — Boeing on Monday announced a newly designed KC-767 as its proposed aircraft for a $40 billion Air Force contest to replace 179 refueling planes.

Oct. 28, 2007 Despite a scandal related to a tanker deal that sent two Boeing officials to jail two years ago, the Chicago company has been favored to win the $40-billion award for the fuel-carrying tankers.

It seems that Seattle/Chicago was assuming they would get $40 billion until the details of the Northrop-Grumman bid was leaked to them at the end of 2007

21 posted on 02/24/2010 6:09:16 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (great thing about being a cynic: you can enjoy being proved wrong.)
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