Posted on 02/24/2010 7:15:59 AM PST by deport
And their position on LaRaza and the Hispanic Caucus?
If the Protestant Hispanics can be reached and vote about 50/50 Republican, then that means we can reach Hispanics, it gives us something to work with, it means that we can form a strategy by looking into the why of that.
Thanks, deport!
There is a tremendous diversity within "Hispania". Other than Mexicans, which are predominant in this country, you have Cubans, Colombians, Venezuelans, and others, who tend strongly to be conservative and Republican. Why? Because either they tend to have more money (Colombians and Venezuelans), or their home countries have been ravage by leftists (Cubans and Venezuelans).
I dont know if there is any hope for Mexicans, because they may end up being permanent wards of the Left, like Blacks. The rest of Hispanics should be ok.
That said, it is Mexicans who are multiplying here...
So, as you point out, some of us insult them, but everyone else panders. Americans are hardly out of line in resenting the fact that their country is being overrun by people who demand that be supported and provided with benefits. I think that is the basis of the "hate," and that is the fault of government, not ordinary people who resent being sucked dry. The constant message on Spanish-language media in this country is: how to get the benefits to which you are entitled, how racist everyone is who doesn't pander to you, how not enough Spanish-speaking people are allowed to immigrate here, how hateful we are for not granting amnesty to every illegal, etc. The Alamo notwithstanding, how do you think you are going to get that conservative message out?
Same media template. Story about Republicans and they go interview a Democrat. Label any study that shows a non-white group supportive of a Republican “surprising”, etc.
“Naw........... I reckon it’s kinda like Ohio you have to dance with what you have.”
OR not.
I WISH they would breakdown these statistics more.
Agree I’d like to see the details of the poll and a more indepth probe of the respondents.
So, you think we should form a strategy based on what 15 percent of a particular religious group may or may not do. Okey-dokey. I differ. I think people vote according to what they perceive to be their own self-interest. So I think you might have better luck strategizing on how to win more Hispanic entrepreneurs and business owners and taxpayers to our side.
BUT do.......
First, you failed to answer my question. Do they support amnesty?
Hispanics as a group, an artificial one at that, have 50% out of wedlock birthrates and similar school drop out rates. They are becoming more and more dependent upon big government and social welfare programs.
Hispanic Family Values? Runaway illegitimacy is creating a new U.S. underclass.
"Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability. Hispanic immigrants bring near–Third World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here.) Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother households, the Hispanic baby boom is certain to produce more juvenile delinquents, more school failure, more welfare use, and more teen pregnancy in the future.
The government social-services sector has already latched onto this new client base; as the Hispanic population expands, so will the demands for a larger welfare state. Since conservative open-borders advocates have yet to acknowledge the facts of Hispanic family breakdown, there is no way to know what their solution to it is. But they had better come up with one quickly, because the problem is here—and growing.
The dimensions of the Hispanic baby boom are startling. The Hispanic birthrate is twice as high as that of the rest of the American population. That high fertility rate—even more than unbounded levels of immigration—will fuel the rapid Hispanic population boom in the coming decades. By 2050, the Latino population will have tripled, the Census Bureau projects. One in four Americans will be Hispanic by mid-century, twice the current ratio. In states such as California and Texas, Hispanics will be in the clear majority. Nationally, whites will drop from near 70 percent of the total population in 2000 to just half by 2050. Hispanics will account for 46 percent of the nation’s added population over the next two decades, the Pew Hispanic Center reports.
But it’s the fertility surge among unwed Hispanics that should worry policymakers. Hispanic women have the highest unmarried birthrate in the country—over three times that of whites and Asians, and nearly one and a half times that of black women, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Every 1,000 unmarried Hispanic women bore 92 children in 2003 (the latest year for which data exist), compared with 28 children for every 1,000 unmarried white women, 22 for every 1,000 unmarried Asian women, and 66 for every 1,000 unmarried black women. Forty-five percent of all Hispanic births occur outside of marriage, compared with 24 percent of white births and 15 percent of Asian births. Only the percentage of black out-of-wedlock births—68 percent—exceeds the Hispanic rate. But the black population is not going to triple over the next few decades."
The Republicans’ Hispanic Delusion Amnesty is not just wrong in principle, it’s bad politics.
“But Hispanics are Republicans waiting to emerge,” counter the Bush strategists. Socially conservative on homosexuality and abortion, Hispanics just need to be invited into the party by an amnesty and not scared off by immigration enforcement. This “social values” argument has been around since the early 1980s, and it’s still awaiting confirmation. The majority of Hispanics vote their perceived economic interests, rather than their social values (evangelical Hispanics may be an exception to this rule). Blacks are equally conservative on gay rights and other favorite liberal crusades, and that doesn’t affect their allegiance to the Democratic party.
Even Republican Hispanics are not particularly conservative on economic issues. A 2002 poll by the Pew and Kaiser foundations found that 52 percent of registered Latino Republicans supported a higher-taxing, larger state sector, a higher percentage for big government than one finds among white Democrats, reports Steve Sailer. As for the majority of Latinos—poor and poorly-educated—the more government services, the better."
When I speak to Hispanics I hear the conservatism and can win their strong agreement on much that they find important and what they find repulsive, the Republicans have to learn to talk to them.
Immigration can be a winning issue for Republicans. The Republican strategy on immigration should be based on the core principles of the party, i.e., national security, limited government, the rule of law and the Constitution, and individual responsibility. Immigration is an issue that cuts across partisan lines. There are plenty of independents and Reagan Democrats who are affected adversely by mass immigration and hold far different views than the Democrat political leadership, union bosses, religious leaders, etc. Republicans need to craft their message better to tap into those constituencies. That said, pandering and outreach to minorities don’t work. Republicans lose when they try to play identity politics against the Democrats and it just reinforces their framing of the issue. Republicans must appeal to the interests of the individual voter with a universal message regardless of race, ethnicity, or gender.
The problem is one of individual vs. societal. Many Hispanics are personally conservative (pro-life, etc.) but vote Democrat because they see themselves as a group, not individuals and the groupthink tells them to vote for the party that gives their group handouts.
This is not uncommon among black thinking either.
The Asian communities, OTOH, tend to not do this even though they have strong community identity. I believe they have ingrained in them a much stronger sense of self-reliance.
Conservative??? LOL...right that’s why they vote DEMOCRAT!
Poll: Mexicans say Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.
Thu Oct 15 11:51:17 2009 ·
(CNSNews.com) - Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans – including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55496
32% of Hispanic voters are Protestant and they are voting about 50/50 Republican.
Yes I want us to look at that and figure why and then form a way to start winning half of the entire Hispanic vote, why does that annoy you?
This site is more about political activism and strategy than it is a perpetual bitch session about much life sucks, it is OK to look for ways to increase the conservative vote.
They show their abysmal ignorance when they think we’re not onto this “good cop, bad cop” scam.
Americans have been through this scam many times-—with those who are plotting to suck up our tax dollars.
Third Worlders are trying every trick in the book to get their greedy hands on the US Treasury.
Right now I am interested in getting some conservative votes, not yet another long bitching session about immigration, personally I want to end all immigration, including legal, if that tells you anything, a view that I have held for 45 years, I have been anti immigration a lot longer than a lot of the newcomers here that didn’t see what was happening until it showed up in their little neighborhood.
I really expected her to say "Al Gore."
The poll found that only 18 percent of Texas Hispanics say they're liberal or progressive, while 54 percent say they're conservative, moderate conservative or religiously conservative.
Hispanics are for the most part pro-life and pro-business. When addressed properly AND if they understand the detrimental effects of marxism AND they are not prey to marxist buzzwords, they will tend to vote the conservative ticket.
I just don’t get your math: 32 percent of Hispanic voters are protestant and half of those vote Republican. That is about 15-16 percent. Your assertion doesn’t annoy me. I just don’t think it is realistic, nor do I think it makes a case for pandering to a particular ethnic group, rather than putting our ideas out there and letting those ideas speak for themselves.
Where is the pandering in post 40?
“I’m just amazed at how resistant to good news some of you are, Republicans can win over many Hispanics by reaching them through the media filter and appealing to their social conservatism.
To do that we first have to be willing to approach them and talk to them and tell them about the left/right division in America and what the Democrat party actually represents behind the media snow job.
When I speak to Hispanics I hear the conservatism and can win their strong agreement on much that they find important and what they find repulsive, the Republicans have to learn to talk to them.
By showing that the Protestant Hispanics are voting differently than the Catholics Hispanics, it proves that it has something to do with the message that is reaching them, that means that we can start looking at that and figure out how to reach them.”
BS...we fought this out 3-4 yeara ago here when folks clamopured that since they were Catholicsa and blah blah blah...just look how they..except older Cubans and Colombians and Nica expats vote.....Puerto Ricans, DomRep, and Mexican and other CA latinos vote very high for entitlements and against what they see as a white anglo power structure
the blacker and more Indian the more likely to vote leftist
sure they abort less but conservatives don’t have the epidemic of illegitimacy they tolerate nor the open drug dealing/gang warfare in their poorer communities
if the were all 1950s Cubans fine but they ain’t...they are just more pilotfish
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