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False accusations against Israel
JPost ^ | 22/02/2010 16:51 | HERB KEINON AND ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 02/22/2010 3:03:33 PM PST by Track9

On sidelines of EU meeting, FM cites insufficient evidence in Dubai case. Talkbacks (46)

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman met on Monday afternoon with Irish Foreign Minister Michael Martin to discuss the implications of the reported Dubai spy case.

Meeting with a number of his European colleagues on the sidelines of a conference of the EU foreign ministers in Brussels, Lieberman told his Irish colleague that there is no evidence indicating Israeli involvement in the assassination of Hamas terror chief Mahmoud al-Mabhouh last month.

He added that were someone to present information beyond what is in the newspapers, Israel would relate to it, but since there is no such information, there is no need for Israel to deal with the matter.

Lieberman said that there are many false accusations against Israel on any number of issues, and that there is an Arab inclination to blame Israel for everything. He went on to raise the possibility that someone in the Arab world was responsible for the assassination.

Lieberman explained that in the Middle East, there are any number of internal battles inside non-democratic organizations and countries.

Related Articles: Europeans to grill FM on passports Dubai police: Soon we'll have proof against Mossad

Mabhouh's body was found in a Dubai hotel room last month. Suspicion has fallen on a hit squad from Israel's Mossad spy agency.

Meanwhile on Monday, the EU was questioning Israel about falsified European passports used in the assassination – suspectedly the work of the Mossad.

Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos said the EU was "extremely concerned" that suspects in the Jan. 20 killing of Mabhouh carried fake EU passports.

He also stated his intention to broach the issue with Lieberman.

Israel has linked Mabhouh to the smuggling of arms into Gaza and the slaying of two Israeli soldiers on leave.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: assassination; dubai; fakepassports; fatah; forgeries; hamas; israel; notisrael; notmossad; palestinianauthority; palestinians; targetedhit
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"Lieberman said that there are many false accusations against Israel on any number of issues, and that there is an Arab inclination to blame Israel for everything. He went on to raise the possibility that someone in the Arab world was responsible for the assassination.

Lieberman explained that in the Middle East, there are any number of internal battles inside non-democratic organizations and countries. "

1 posted on 02/22/2010 3:03:33 PM PST by Track9
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To: Track9
So how is it that Israel can go into another country and assassinate folks?

Would you like it if the Mossad came here and assassinated someone?

Does being Israel make them innocent of whatever acts they choose?

Sure, Arab terrorists suck. Why do they suck?
Because they do not respect any law or decency.

So.. Israeli hit-teams go around whacking folks in other countries and it's just fine as wine?

2 posted on 02/22/2010 3:20:37 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

“Would you like it if the Mossad came here and assassinated someone?”

Given who they kill, I wouldn’t have any problem.

They can even stay at my house, borrow my passport, eat my food, take some of my pistols (the ones I bought for cash at guns shows), drink my whiskey, and play with my dog.


3 posted on 02/22/2010 3:25:14 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: humblegunner
So how is it that Israel can go into another country and assassinate folks?

How are you so sure the Israelis did the hit? So far I see the Muslim terrorists and the anti Semite European socialists making that claim.

4 posted on 02/22/2010 3:26:09 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: TheThirdRuffian
I wouldn’t have any problem.

I would.

Being Israeli cuts no ice here in a Christian house.

Non-Christian foreigners ought to tend to their own houses.

You reckon they should have a blank check to do as they wish?

Yes, whacking terrorists is cool. Phenominally cool.

But crossing boundaries to do it without permission is almost as bad as the terrorist scum themselves.

5 posted on 02/22/2010 3:30:57 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Yes, whacking terrorists is cool. Phenominally cool. But crossing boundaries to do it without permission is almost as bad as the terrorist scum themselves.

Whose permission is needed? The permission of the terrorists or the U.N.?

6 posted on 02/22/2010 3:32:40 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
How are you so sure the Israelis did the hit?

Uhh.. what is this thread about? We are discussing.. what?

7 posted on 02/22/2010 3:32:53 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: ColdWater

Disregard my #6. Thank you.


8 posted on 02/22/2010 3:34:11 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: humblegunner

I see you are making moral equivalency between suicide bombers and those who seek to stop them. What Lieberman is saying is ‘show me the evidence the Mossad was involved.. beyond just a bunch of newspaper reports.. and we will deal with it.’ I think that’s a reasonable position to take but making moral equivalency is simply asinine.


9 posted on 02/22/2010 3:35:08 PM PST by Track9 (Old worn out suits and shoes,..)
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To: ColdWater
Whose permission is needed?

Well, let's think about that.

Where do you live? Would you like some folks from Outer Mongolia to come and make a hit there?

Take out your Senator because he voted down something that served Outer Mongolia's interest?

Wouldn't that Senator be YOUR business, not theirs?

10 posted on 02/22/2010 3:37:22 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Scripture predicts that a day is coming when the only ally that Israel will have is the God of the universe.

Seems you have already chosen which side you are on.


11 posted on 02/22/2010 3:37:54 PM PST by Mrs.Z
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To: TheThirdRuffian
They can even stay at my house, borrow my passport, eat my food, take some of my pistols (the ones I bought for cash at guns shows), drink my whiskey, and play with my dog.

Amen to that!

12 posted on 02/22/2010 3:41:16 PM PST by Track9 (Old worn out suits and shoes,..)
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To: humblegunner

I hereby give them permission.

They can kill all the muslim terrorists in the State of New Mexico. (We probably have some in Sante Fe.)


13 posted on 02/22/2010 3:41:47 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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14 posted on 02/22/2010 3:42:52 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: humblegunner

“Sure, Arab terrorists suck. Why do they suck?
Because they do not respect any law or decency.”

Nonsense.

They suck because they kill innocent people, seek genocide against the Jewish people, seek to kill or subjugate every one else, and are servants of Satan.

I have theological issues with Jews, but they are on the correct side.


15 posted on 02/22/2010 3:46:12 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: humblegunner

Pretty much the same way the Great Satan goes in other countries and assassinates folks with missles. Killing civilians while they’re at it. With the cooperation of some of the same Euros whining now. I’m OK with killing enemies, we kill ours, Israel kills theirs. Those UAVs don’t need passports, but they don’t file proper flight plans either.


16 posted on 02/22/2010 3:46:19 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Mrs.Z
Seems you have already chosen which side you are on.

I think the basic issue is the guy doesn't like the descendants of the Maccabees.

17 posted on 02/22/2010 3:48:25 PM PST by Track9 (Old worn out suits and shoes,..)
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To: Track9
Somebody took care of a terrorist. It's a good thing.
18 posted on 02/22/2010 3:50:32 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: SJackson
Those UAVs don’t need passports, but they don’t file proper flight plans either.

So the Israelis can go wherever they wish, and kill whomever they decide needs to be killed?

What if they decide they don't like your Governor, your Councilman.. your mom?

Is it still fine?

19 posted on 02/22/2010 3:50:49 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: TheThirdRuffian

“They can even stay at my house, borrow my passport, eat my food, take some of my pistols (the ones I bought for cash at guns shows), drink my whiskey, and play with my dog.”

Amen to that. You don’t need to be born again to be my compadre.

Humblegunner’s comment reeks of anti Semitism.


20 posted on 02/22/2010 3:54:55 PM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: humblegunner

“What if they decide they don’t like your Governor, your Councilman.. your mom?”

The Israelis have never given any indication they kill anyone but terrorists. Their actions in Gaza to spare non-combatants went so far beyond what any other country has ever done, it is amazing.

In short, your hypotheticals are silly and belie your true agenda.


21 posted on 02/22/2010 3:54:58 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: rdl6989
Somebody took care of a terrorist. It's a good thing.

A Dead terrorist is the best kind.

22 posted on 02/22/2010 3:59:52 PM PST by Track9 (Old worn out suits and shoes,..)
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To: humblegunner
So how is it that Israel can go into another country and assassinate folks?

Because they act in defense of morality.

Would you like it if the Mossad came here and assassinated someone?

Knowing at least some of the people they have done in over the years, ABSOLUTELY!

Does being Israel make them innocent of whatever acts they choose?

No, but pretty close. A whole lot closer than "Does being American make them innocent..." And certainly closer than, "Does being 'Christian' make them innocent..."

So.. Israeli hit-teams go around whacking folks in other countries and it's just fine as wine?

You BETCHA!

But let's get to your bottom line, shall we... the real problem is, they are Jews, right?
23 posted on 02/22/2010 4:04:37 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: CalvaryJohn
Humblegunner’s comment reeks of anti Semitism.

Humblegunner? Shocked, I tell you just SHOCKED!
24 posted on 02/22/2010 4:06:01 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: humblegunner
Being Israeli cuts no ice here in a Christian house.

Speak for yourself bub.
25 posted on 02/22/2010 4:08:33 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat
Speak for yourself bub.

I usually do, chief.

26 posted on 02/22/2010 4:12:38 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

You didn’t ‘speak for yourself’ when I called you one your moral equivalency..


27 posted on 02/22/2010 4:22:27 PM PST by Track9 (Old worn out suits and shoes,..)
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You didn’t ‘speak for yourself’ when I called you one your moral equivalency..

"One" what? Please be clear.

Is there a specific point you would like to see addressed?

28 posted on 02/22/2010 4:25:15 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
You didn’t ‘speak for yourself’ when I called you on your moral equivalency..

There, fixed it for you. Do you really think playing dumb shields you from everyone knowing where you're coming from..? I pointed out you were making moral equivalence between terrorist and those who seek to protect us from them and you're arguing over 'one' verses 'on'.. give me a break.. over and out.

29 posted on 02/22/2010 4:37:18 PM PST by Track9 (Old worn out suits and shoes,..)
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To: Track9; humblegunner
Not to be picky here track, but if you are speaking of humblegunner you really should ping him. Courtesy thingie here at FR.
30 posted on 02/22/2010 4:37:38 PM PST by BARLF
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To: CalvaryJohn

You forgot to ping humblegunner.


31 posted on 02/22/2010 4:39:19 PM PST by BARLF
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To: BARLF

I thought I just did. If you mean post him on the private line, I will take your advice next time but isn’t it better to have it out in the open? Thanks for your heads up.


32 posted on 02/22/2010 4:43:45 PM PST by Track9 (Old worn out suits and shoes,..)
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To: humblegunner
What if they decide they don't like your Governor, your Councilman.. your mom?...Is it still fine?

My Governor is incompetant, but he's not a member of Hamas, or any designated terrorist group.

Nor is my councilman

My Mom, a vet dead for 35 years now, but no, never a member of a terrorist group.

Thank you for the intelligent conversation, if that's the best you can come up with, you're a moron.

33 posted on 02/22/2010 4:48:11 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: humblegunner
BTW, what does Being Israeli cuts no ice here in a Christian house.

Is FR a Christian house, non Christian infidel types not welcome, or is that your vision of America?

34 posted on 02/22/2010 4:50:58 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Track9
I referred to post#17. If you were not referring to HG in that post, my apologies. No, no, not talking private mail;(
35 posted on 02/22/2010 4:55:43 PM PST by BARLF
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To: SJackson
Thank you for the intelligent conversation

You're welcome.

if that's the best you can come up with, you're a moron.

What, that if Israel is free to whack terrorists in Dubai, then why can't it whack folks in your home town?

Is that such a stretch? Why are the Israelis immune from international law?

Got an anti-Semite neighbor? Is it cool if the IDF takes them out?

If not, why not? They did it in Dubai and you applaud. What's the difference?

Note that I have made all these points without the name-calling you engage in. Quite telling.

36 posted on 02/22/2010 4:55:45 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Strawman argument.


37 posted on 02/22/2010 4:58:45 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SJackson

Agreed.


38 posted on 02/22/2010 4:59:50 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Strawman argument.

OK, whatever. I don't see how that works, but if you say so, fine.

39 posted on 02/22/2010 5:02:05 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

The difference between the US and the UAE is that the latter has no diplomatic relations with Israel, and in fact refuses to recognize Israel’s right to exist. Given also that Hamas has declared and is conducting a war of annihilation against Israel, and that presumably the UAE is supporting the Hamas side of that conflict, I don’t see why Israel is obligated to make nice with them. Equating the assassination with one in the US is a red herring, even given the assumption that Israel had anything to do with it in the first place.


40 posted on 02/22/2010 5:04:34 PM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: humblegunner

I do.

“A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.[1] To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]”


41 posted on 02/22/2010 5:05:54 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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The difference between the US and the UAE is that the latter has no diplomatic relations with Israel

I have no diplomatic relations with the hillbillies down the road.

Does that make it fine and dandy if I go cap a few of them?

Even if they have a meth lab or a dog-fighting operation?

The "badness" of the target does not exonerate the assailant.

42 posted on 02/22/2010 5:09:29 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
What, that if Israel is free to whack terrorists in Dubai, then why can't it whack folks in your home town?

It's a huge stretch, jackass.

Don't like being called a jackass, you may apologize for implying that my Mom might be worthy of assassination like any member of a terrorist group. I know if I implied such a thing, you'd take it in stride, perhaps heard it before, but I'm not a humblegunner.

Can you point me to your criticism of American strikes> The Great Satan, as you know, is a major violator of humblegunner morality. In violation of international law in many peoples minds.

In absense of that, it would appear that the issue hear isn't killing terrorists, I know you hate to see terrorists killed, but who's doing the killing.

43 posted on 02/22/2010 5:11:56 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: humblegunner

Another red herring; both you and the hillbillies are governed by US laws.


44 posted on 02/22/2010 5:12:14 PM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: humblegunner
I have no diplomatic relations with the hillbillies down the road...Does that make it fine and dandy if I go cap a few of them?...Even if they have a meth lab or a dog-fighting operation?... The "badness" of the target does not exonerate the assailant.

Why not, as you note hillbillies, aka rednecks and many other terms, are a bunch of lowlife druggies and dogfighters.

Terrorists too. Gunowners amongst them you know, ask Janet.

Who don't you hate?

45 posted on 02/22/2010 5:14:20 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: rightwingcrazy

Of course under US law the hillbillies who belong to Hamas end up in the slammer. Odd, here on this conservative forum we’re bashing hillbillies in defense of Hamas, isn’t it.


46 posted on 02/22/2010 5:15:51 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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It's a huge stretch, jackass

Since you want to stoop to that level, your mom is a jackass.

Can you point me to your criticism of American strikes

No, actually I've never criticized American strikes. Are you drunk?

The Great Satan, as you know, is a major violator of humblegunner morality

Well, I learn something new each day. Are you drunk?

In absense of that, it would appear that the issue hear

Absense? Hear? Are you drunk?

I know you hate to see terrorists killed

Definately drunk. But funny.

47 posted on 02/22/2010 5:18:11 PM PST by humblegunner
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I thought I just did.

Yes you did. My apologies.

48 posted on 02/22/2010 5:31:31 PM PST by BARLF
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To: humblegunner

Just another drunk hillbilly bozo.


49 posted on 02/22/2010 6:29:49 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: humblegunner; SJackson

HG wrote:

“Note that I have made all these points without the name-calling you engage in. Quite telling.”

It’s not name-calling when the subject is an idiot.

You avoid answering the posts that call you or your equating terrorists who kill innocent people with people who, after due consideration, kill the killers.

You avoid explaining what you perceive to be the difference betweeen sending a UAV into a third country (e.g., Pakistan, Libya, whatever) to kill terrorists like the USA does with sending a hit squad to target an individual.

It is apparent that the only thing you dislike is that Israel is defending herself.

Your lack of logical explaination makes you either an idiot, or something worse.

I think you are something worse, to SJackson was being kind.


50 posted on 02/23/2010 7:32:02 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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