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Is Lower Merion spying students inside their home? LM official responds [Unbelievable Alert]
Norristown Times Herald ^ | 02/18/10 | Richard Ilgenfritz

Posted on 02/18/2010 11:47:18 AM PST by freespirited

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To: Drill Thrawl

We peeped for the children.


41 posted on 02/18/2010 5:42:20 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: freespirited

The schools here give out laptops and netbooks


42 posted on 02/18/2010 5:44:11 PM PST by GeronL (I pledge allegiance to the Principles of the Bill of Rights and to protect and defend it...)
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To: 1010RD
They’re likely to claim in loco parentis in extremis.

It probably won't fly; it's a felony in PA.

Pennsylvania Electronic Surveillance Laws -- perhaps toughest law in the states; forbids even police officers from tapping

Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, a person is guilty of a felony of the third degree if he:

(1) intentionally intercepts, endeavors to intercept, or procures any other person to intercept or endeavor to intercept any wire, electronic or oral communication;

(2) intentionally discloses or endeavors to disclose to any other person the contents of any wire, electronic or oral communication, or evidence derived therefrom, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the interception of a wire, electronic or oral communication; or

(3) intentionally uses or endeavors to use the contents of any wire, electronic or oral communication, or evidence derived therefrom, knowing or having reason to know, that the information was obtained through the interception of a wire, electronic or oral communication.

43 posted on 02/18/2010 5:48:00 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn

Yikes, but does it include parents observing/monitoring their children?


44 posted on 02/18/2010 5:52:49 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Yikes, but does it include parents observing/monitoring their children?

I don't know, but that's for judge and jury to decide.

In the meantime, the proper approach is for felony complaints to be filed against all the parties responsible, warrants to be issued, arrests to be made, and on and on.

45 posted on 02/18/2010 5:56:30 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: 1010RD

Those cruds are most likely to be great supporters of “zero tolerance” rules in their schools; this is a great case for “zero tolerance” to be exercised to the maximum.


46 posted on 02/18/2010 6:00:16 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn

Agreed.


47 posted on 02/18/2010 6:03:43 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: from occupied ga

“Let them buy their own laptops and give the money back to the taxpayers who earned it - PROBLEM SOLVED”

Thats the first problem. That doesn’t remove the unbelievable actions of this school.


48 posted on 02/18/2010 6:19:57 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: metmom
I would like to see where the picture actually came from and how the school got it. There are rumors going around (PURE SPECULATION) that student used the labtop to take a picture of himself smoking or drinking and some how it got into the public domain. This is plausible.
The complaint seems a little over the top and makes it seem like there was a big conspiracy to spy on the students which does not seem likely. Maybe I am in denial because it is so creepy to think about. I would NEVER take the word of a plaintiff lawyer without seeing more evidence.

Who should I believe? School admin or plaintiff lawyer? I think an IT expert should be able to tell if a net stream was opened from the school.

BTW the school district has responed to the complaint. They claim it was a security feature and it used activated to take a picture IF the labtop was reported stolen.
Here it is :

LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy' allegation
49 posted on 02/18/2010 6:27:02 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Keep your socialized health care off my body !!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Well, the school never told anyone that this surveillance software was in the computer and that the webcams could be remotely accessed.

Why put it there? To what purpose? Why not tell people up front that its there and that it’s not safe?

The deception from the start makes every other claim they make ring hollow.


50 posted on 02/18/2010 6:33:13 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
The messed up for sure and should have have made it clear the software was on the computers. They claim it was a security feature in the event the computer was stolen. Here is their explanation.
Have a great night. Blessings to you and your family

LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy' allegation
51 posted on 02/18/2010 6:43:55 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Keep your socialized health care off my body !!)
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To: freespirited
ALL the teachers who were aware of this should lose their licenses and be forbidden to have contact with children for an indefinate period of time.

Whoever thought this up, along with the administrators who PERMITTED it should all serve long jail terms.

This is sick, this is illegal, people need to be swiftly punished.

52 posted on 02/18/2010 6:52:01 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Kid Shelleen

A reasonable sounding explanation, to be sure.

However, the potential for abuse does not warrant it.

This lawsuit is going to cost them more than replacing the computer would.

Couldn’t they have put a tracking chip in it? Those sorts of things exist already.


53 posted on 02/18/2010 6:54:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Lower Merion is an elite liberal community. Does it surprise you they don't have any common sense?
54 posted on 02/18/2010 7:00:29 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Keep your socialized health care off my body !!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Not at all.


55 posted on 02/18/2010 7:03:10 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Yes, I saw all that, but if you read carefully, there is no claim that the asssistant principal ever said school district ever used the capability to secretly take remote web cam shots.

IMO, the wording seems to be intentionally deceptive, trying to give the impression that the principal said it had been used, when in fact she did not.

My guess is they asked her if remote photos could be taken and she said something like, “Well, in theory I suppose it could be done, but we have never even considered the idea.”

I’m sure we will find out the truth eventually, as I doubt the district could cover up the illegal surveilance if it really happened.


56 posted on 02/18/2010 8:11:06 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade (Read My Palm: No More Socialism - Palin 2012)
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To: metmom; Above My Pay Grade
and cited as evidence a photograph from the webcam embedded in minor Plaintiff’s personal laptop issued by the School District.

In reading it a second time, it's true that the statement doesn't actually say the photograph "cited as evidence" was taken without the student's knowledge. It only says the photo is "from the webcam embedded in" the student's laptop. That's an interesting point from Above My Pay Grade.

So, I guess we don't really know who took that particular photo... On the one hand, the complaint seems to imply that the school took it without the student's knowledge.

OTOH, the school's response seems purposely vague, too: LMSD Response They don't directly deny taking a picture of the student without his knowledge. So, maybe they did. Maybe their argument will be that they believed his laptop was lost or stolen. ;-)

Whatever the case, the school openly admits the webcam could be remotely activated to photograph someone using it without the user's knowledge. And now we know what argument the school plans to use: that it was a "security feature" used for lost/stolen laptops.

The mystery continues to unfold...

57 posted on 02/18/2010 9:36:38 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

What I was saying was deceptive was that the school didn’t alert the students or the parents of the computer’s webcam’s full capabilities.

Those receiving the computers ought to have been told that the webcams could be activated from a remote location and could be used to see what was going on anywhere at any time. It’s a horrendous invasion of privacy and people ought to know that it’s been compromised.

Sure, the reason they gave for the software was for lost or stolen computers, but that presumes that all people are honest and trustworthy and would never do anything of questionable nature. What were the safeguards put in place to make sure that capability was not misused? For that matter, the school district came forward about the kid, but I don’t recall reading anything about them saying that someone misused the computer capabilities and that that person/ people are being disciplined and that efforts are being made to ensure that it doesn’t happen again.

One still has to wonder about the circumstances under which the school got hold of the photo of the student involved in the *improper* behavior.

If the kid sent it out, stupid of the kid, but I could see them coming forward with it. Otherwise, something is rotten in Denmark.

There’s a lot the school district didn’t say. They didn’t deny that they were spying on the kid. They could have simply said that he broadcast the image, which if he had, would have cleared them. They didn’t.

Their lack of being forthright from the beginning doesn’t reflect well on them and really cuts into their credibility concerning their part in this scenario.

Interesting google results on the topic.

Lower Merion School District sued for cyber spying on students
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/84715297.html?cmpid=15585797

“The family first learned of the embedded webcams on Nov. 11, when Harriton High’s Assistant Principal Lindy Matsko reprimanded Blake Robbins for “improper behavior in his home,” according to the lawsuit. Matsko cited as evidence a photograph from the webcam on the boy’s school-issued laptop.”


58 posted on 02/18/2010 9:52:39 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

ping to post 58.


59 posted on 02/18/2010 9:54:41 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tired of Taxes; Above My Pay Grade

You know, it says that the V-P reprimanded the STUDENT for improper behavior at home and provided the photo from the webcam as evidence.

It doesn’t say that someone from the school inadvertently ran across the picture and went to the parents with their concern, such as, *Were you aware of what your son was broadcasting over the internet?*

The school is not denying an awful lot. They’re excusing it.


60 posted on 02/18/2010 9:58:54 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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