Posted on 02/15/2010 2:22:44 PM PST by MissesBush
I’m not very good with Bible verses, but isn’t there one that goes something like,
“Ye shall know them by their actions”
... that seems appropriate here.
Joe, Obama is a combo of totally honest on some things and totally dishonest on others. You are looking only at one of his 3-4 faces.
I'm not sure that's true. Obama campaigned on VERY few specifics relying instead of flowery speeches and feel good bromides. He tried to present himself as a post-partisan moderate despite his Senate record as the most liberal Senate in the body. Independents who predominantly voted for Obama and have now turned on him in droves would never have voted for him if he had campaigned on the kinds of things Obama has done or attempted to do as president which has turned so many indies off and caused them to revoke their support from him thus dropping his poll numbers.
For instance, Obama never promised during the campaign to destroy private health insurance, to put terrorists on trial in civilian courts, to propose hiking dozens and dozens of taxes including now leaving the door open to hiking taxes on those making under $250K, and doubling the debt run up by every president from Washington to W. Bush in just 5 years, doubling it in 10 and hiking spending in his new budget to a record 25.9% of GNP, a record outside of WW2, and taking the US debt load to an economically catastophic 101% of GNP from the 40% Bush left it at in just a few years. Nor did he campaign on new rules of engagement in Afghanistan that warns the enemy when we're coming and restricts our troops from firing on the Taliban unless they're fired upon first, even allowing them to flee if they empty a magazine on a clutch of American soldiers so long as they drop their weapon and run afterwards.
Still Wondering what Dirty Laundry the OBOZO Thugs had on McPAIN!! McPAIN went out of his way to blow $400-600 Million of Our Money and guarantee Defeat for US! McPAIN hired a Life long Demorat as his Campaign Manager who bragged that he told McPAIN early on that a Victory was like hoping for a Fiels Goal from 90 Yards!! That is NOT the king of Campaign Manager one hireswhen One is trying to WIN an Election!:-)
Sorry, Joe - - you only get one “fifteen minutes”.
Now beat it.
The Democratic Party, with orders from the very top, audited his taxes and looked up dirt on him. You can bet the farm that Obama’s Op Research team was dispatched to get as much as they could to smear Joe and leak it. And Joe thinks Obama is honest. And as other posters pointed out, how exactly did McCain use him? He was in the news and McCain commented on him. If Joe would have said “Leave me alone, I want to remain a private citizen,” McCain would have respected it. But Joe decided to go on TV and become a star. I don’t know where this nonsense comes from.
From one extreme to the other. That’s what happens when you’re on any political site that’s way off from the center. I don’t care for it, but that’s how it is.
I've kinda noticed that. And I'm way "off center" too... in that regard... off to the right... LOL..
It's just humorous how that works and I've seen it working for different subjects and for different people -- besides Joe Plumber.
For example Beck had been a poster boy for certain FReepers for a long while (supporting their positions) and then he was "thrown under the bus" by a certain segment of FReepers, when Beck said that the birthers were crazy (in so many words). Many FReepers who admittedly said they had listened to and supported Beck before, now threw him under the bus and backed up over him a time or two... LOL...
And then there was Ann Coulter, another person who was supported by a large group of FReepers, and once again, as others in the conservtive movement have done, when she tossed the birthers overboard... they tossed her overboard... :-)
It works for other inviduals and other subjects, too -- so it's not limited to Joe the Plumber, by any means...
Like I said, Ya gotta love FRee Republic... :-)
... by their fruit, I believe it is (without looking it up)... and so, over the long term, that would be appropriate for anyone... yes...
Yes, he did discuss few specifics. Most presidential campaigns are that way. They try to appeal to the most people and push the positive. It’s normally the media that asks the questions, and for him there would be NONE asked.
I hate hussein as much as anyone, but it was the media that helped him in as much as anything.
Real principles don't blow with the wind....even if the prevailing wind is from Vichy.
Tol, no doubt about it. The US news media gave Obama at least $3 billion, probably much more, in free campaign advertising in the guise of supposedly unbiased news coverage that was positively fawning, rarely if ever discerning or questioning. I contend to this day the media's propagandistic coverage of Obama and the campaign generally constituted an illegal, in-kind political contribution to the Obama campaign. No Republican candidate could have withstood that kind of media campaign onslaught.
I had actually vowed to retain an attorney to look into the legality of the media's thinly guised campaign commercial coverage of Obama last year, but unfortunately some family issues presented themselves to prevent me. I wish legal efforts to look into Obama's citizenship would re-direct towards this issue instead, the way the media puts itself and its resources at the full disposal of Democratic candidates. Until that changes, the GOP will have a very strong head-wind to fight in any national campaign.
So, to put your point in a nutshell... “FReepers agree with people that agree with them and disagree with people that disagree with them.” How profound!
Bambi did tell Joe the truth to his face. He then lied saying contradictory things several times a day, the MSM played what they wanted the masses to hear. In Florida he ran ads on Rush’s show every break about his no taxes under 250,000, and being pro gun, etc. Lies lies lies.
Joe has my kudos for asking the right question.
Besides McCain sucked, I only voted for Sarah.
This is another reason to support J D Hayworth for Senator from Arizona.
From what I can see, Joe said that Obama was “honest...because he told you when he was going to do.”
From what I can see, this simply means that Joe was paying attention when Obama was saying all along he was a radical socialist, and the MSM was spinning his meanings away.
Obama promised “change”. I’d say he’s sticking to that.
He promised, “to redistribute wealth”. Ditto.
He promised, “I’m going to come into your backyard and bring change.” No lie there.
He was openly admiring of third world dictators and Red China’s ability to control it’s people during the last Olympics. Out there for all to see.
Now the electorate has the nerve to say, “What happened?”
“is he saying “pay me?””
Joe must be on hard times and wants Obama to spread the wealth around. Loser, and we had so much respect for him.
So, to put your point in a nutshell... “FReepers agree with people that agree with them and disagree with people that disagree with them.” How profound!
If that's all it was, there would be nothing to be laughing about; it would be "ho-hum" stuff and real boring. That's because I don't believe that you can find another person that you agree with on 100% of the things you could discuss or talk about.
I wish that's all there was to it. If so... "no problemo"... none of us agree 100% with one another... big deal... so we disagree and we'll move on to something that we agree with... LOL...
No..., this goes into the "crazy zone"... it's like "If you disagree with me on this one point... I'm taking you out to the wall and you're gonna be lined up for the firing squad and that's the end of you -- permanently!" ... :-)
Now, here's the problem... you see... since no one agrees with anyone else 100% -- then given enough time... pretty soon everyone who has this kind of idea (of going into the "crazy zone")... and will have nothing to do with the person ever again (because of that one disagreement) -- pretty soon there will be no one that anyone on Free Republic ever accepts again... pehaps some aliens from outer space... maybe... LOL...
Fortunately not "everyone" on Free Republic is like that, and a lot of people accept disagreement on issues that they won't go along with, but they won't "shoot the guy" (figuratively speaking) and never have anything to do with him again. They'll merely say, "Oh well..., we don't agree on that subject, but we do agree on many other things"...
I just laugh at all those who go into the "crazy zone"... :-)
Oh Cry me a River Joe !
No one forced you to do anything. You went willing, gleefully, seeking money.
Now you’re pissed. Well guess what Joe — you’ve lost your audience.
Go home and get a job.
As for the 'supportive' statements about Obama, I believe the 'journalist' read into Joe's statement what he wanted to. Obama has been preaching for years exactly what he wanted to do as president. I've seen the video and heard the audio countless times in the last year and a half. Single-payer health care? He tried. Check. Cap-and-trade energy policies to make electric bills skyrocket? Check. Payoffs and more political power to the unions that support him? Check. He may have toned down or straight-up lied during the campaign about all the promises he's been making to the Left for all these years, but he is carrying them out now. I think that's what Joe may have been talking about. Whether or not we agree with Obama's principles, he's sticking to them, and he's sacrificing his own party to get his agenda in place. Right or wrong, that's principled.
Joe turned into an attention hound in the last year-and-a-half or so, no question. I didn't think much of some of his TV appearances in the last year. But I believe this reporter is trying to make a story by making him appear to have turned pro-Obama, which he is clearly not. He is quoted right in the article as saying Obama's policies are un-American. Please don't fall for this.
To each his own humor, I laugh at people who think Ibama is honest or a towering intellect.
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