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To: Ben Mugged

I’d be happy to sit and happy to convict. We are a nation of laws and NOT a nation of theocrats. Right now, abortion is legal in this country. If you don’t like the law, then work within the law to change the law. But, your moral beliefs aren’t license to murder someone with whom you disagree. If we go down that road - and endorse it, as you seem to be doing - then we might as well start dressing in bedsheets with diapers on our heads, because we will have become just like the Jihadists so many hate.


8 posted on 01/28/2010 12:21:44 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
We are a nation of laws and NOT a nation of theocrats.

"...a time to obey man, a time to obey God...."

Not postulating that this condones the murder, but, on the other hand, it sort of vaporizes your argument.

15 posted on 01/28/2010 12:24:58 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (governance is not sovereignty [paraphrasing Bishop Fulton Sheen].)
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To: OldDeckHand
If we go down that road - and endorse it, as you seem to be doing - then we might as well start dressing in bedsheets with diapers on our heads, because we will have become just like the Jihadists so many hate.

Wasn't against Germany's laws to kill Jews either.

16 posted on 01/28/2010 12:25:54 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: OldDeckHand

Sounds like a good argument...for the defense at Nuremberg.


24 posted on 01/28/2010 12:29:04 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: OldDeckHand
When slavery was the law of the land, many chose to help runaway slaves escape their bondage. It was an unjust law just as late term abortion is an unjust law. In the face of such radical injustice there comes a point where men must take a stand.
27 posted on 01/28/2010 12:30:32 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Sometimes justice needs to be supplied from the barrel of a gun.
34 posted on 01/28/2010 12:36:12 PM PST by Wahoo82
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To: OldDeckHand
"We are a nation of laws..."

Kansas Statutes Amended:

Chapter 21: Crimes And Punishments
PART I.--GENERAL PROVISIONS
Article 32: Principles Of Criminal Liability

Statute 21-3211: Use of force in defense of a person; no duty to retreat.

(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent it appears to such person and such person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to defend such person or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force.

(b) A person is justified in the use of deadly force under circumstances described in subsection (a) if such person reasonably believes deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to such person or a third person.

(c) Nothing in this section shall require a person to retreat if such person is using force to protect such person or a third person.

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A well crafted defense would establish that Roeder believed that abortions cause death or great bodily harm to a third person, after which the definition of "imminent" will be put to the test. IMHO, if Tiller had an abortion appointment scheduled for the following day, I'd call that imminent. You're right. We are a nation of laws...it will be interesting to see how this one is applied.

36 posted on 01/28/2010 12:36:43 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: OldDeckHand
We are a nation of laws and NOT a nation of theocrats . Right now, abortion is legal in this country.

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If you have ever read Roe you would know that you are completely wrong in that statement; Roe contains explicit language that , with todays medical knowledge , nullifies it's own arguments in favor of abortion on demand and calls for itself to be struck down. It would be far more accurate to say that abortion is explicitly legal only in certain states such as California and NY that have their own laws on the subject.

P.S. Your "theocrat" attack stance you immediately took shows you to be the liberal hack lawyer you have shown yourself to be in so many threads ... Do you really think that if we had no religon we wouldn't have laws against murder?

55 posted on 01/28/2010 12:46:11 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: OldDeckHand
We are a nation of laws and NOT a nation of theocrats.

We are also not a nation of legalists.

And what does theocracy have to do with a man being driven to kill by the idea of innocent babies being *legally* dismembered and tossed in a dumpster?

The theocrats aren't the problem here. The law is.
110 posted on 01/28/2010 1:37:40 PM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: OldDeckHand

He didn’t murder someone with whom he disagreed. He murdered in defense of others, or at least that is his defense. I’m not sure this was a good idea, but the question is now out there in court, as it hasn’t been before.


121 posted on 01/28/2010 1:44:06 PM PST by firebrand
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To: OldDeckHand
But, your moral beliefs aren’t license to murder someone with whom you disagree. If we go down that road - and endorse it, as you seem to be doing - then we might as well start dressing in bedsheets with diapers on our heads, because we will have become just like the Jihadists so many hate. Just because murder of unborn children is legal doesn't make it right. The guy who was shot and killed murdered(whether it was considered legal or not is irrelevant, it was murder)thousands of babies but you think the guy who shot him was bad because he killed one person and saved countless of infants. In your thinking the abortion doctor is not guilty of anything but the other guy is.

Insanity at it's finest. The same type of insanity that allowed the Nazis to take over Germany and kill millions of people(not just jews)because it was legal.

394 posted on 01/30/2010 9:25:23 AM PST by calex59
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