Posted on 01/25/2010 5:56:50 PM PST by rxsid
Since Orly hasn’t paid the $20k fine, she isn’t out any money that wasn’t spent by her choice. And when she does pay it, and she will have to do so, she cannot claim financial damages. If she could, I could claim financial damages for every speeding ticket fine I’ve paid - and there are many.
The action, whereby the U.S. Treasury, without authorization by Congress, used TARP funding to force Chrysler LLC into a debtor-client relationship, and then in using that to practically control the corporation in bankruptcy pleadings has raised several constitutional and legal issues on the action.
Right now, it's and ordinary civil suit by the former Chrysler dealers where the plaintiffs have standing. The question to the court did the Obama administration have the authority by law to selectively force Chrysler dealerships to close? Did the Obama administration over step their authority by illegally implementing the TARP statute?
Basically, any action taken on this case could be a harbinger for how any further Chrysler bankruptcy proceedings or quo warranto actions could be interpreted by the Court in this matter.
Depending on how this civil suit plays out would Donofrio and Pidgeon contemplate with quo warranto. However, they could charge Obama alone with a qou warranto challenge, but using the Chryler suit could help in prying information from Obama's secret past that would stoke any quo warranto action...as Donofrio intends to ask as written below.
As part of the demand for information about the authority used, Donofrio confirmed, there will be questions about Obama’s eligibility to be president. Donofrio contends that since by Obama’s own admission his father never was a U.S. citizen, Obama was born a dual citizen. The framers of the Constitution, he argues, did not consider a dual citizen to be a “natural born citizen” as required for the presidency.
IMH, admiration is not called for. She's an inept attorney who has botched every case she's filed against Obama through sheer stupidity.
One wonders that so many, arm chair quarterback, and criticize, yet do nothing on their own. Yet, have the temerity to call her incompetent.
We call 'em as we see 'em. 'Incompetent' would be the kindest label we could apply to her.
Just sayin'...
And if you honestly think that this case will get far enough to ask that question then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to pitch to you.
So true. And the radical left knows that game better than anyone. How many prominent conservatives have interviewed Orly Taitz and given her an opportunity to make her case with hard facts? None. Ever wonder why that is? It's not because they're part of the conspiracy; it's that they don't want to be associated with a freak show circus. How many liberals have interviewed Taitz? I've lost count. Every single time, she looks like a fool. The left loves Orly Taitz.
Take off your blinders, FReepers.
NS, how is your pal Obama doing these days? I’ll answer for you. Not good at all. By the time your pal leaves office, he will have the words ‘Epic Failure’ branded to his forehead.
And when he leaves it will be in spite of and not because of Orly Tatitz, Counselor at Law's, best efforts. Such as they are. By that time Orly will have faded back into well-deserved obscurity. Probably minus her law license.
Under that logic, I can simply keep filing suit against Bill Gates until I have incurred enough legal bills to sue him for damages.
That is clearly how the legal system is supposed to work.
"However, after he supposedly was jumping her bones (or something like that, and they had a "lover's quarrel", I think...) -- Lucas Smith is now calling Orly Taitz a liar (and a liar in court with her sworn testimony), while he is still "peddling" the Obama Kenyan birth certificate."
I do not know whether Lucas Smith's CPGH BC is authentic, but it is a logical fallacy to conclude that it is not authentic solely on the basis of alleged actions by Smith. "Scam artists" and felons testify in court all the time and are frequently found to be in possession of genuine evidence and often found to be credible witnesses.
Lucas Smith has never "been shown" to currently be a scam artist in FR, he has only been speculated to be such by certain FReepers. His CPGH BC has been challenged on numerous features and on most of those features it has been proved to be accurate. Other features remain in dispute.
Smith has placed an image of the BC in the CA court record under penalty of perjury and has submitted himself to be deposed on how he obtained it, although that has not happened, yet.
It was Lucas Smith who denounced Taitz to Judge Carter in an affidavit because she allegedly asked Smith to lie to the Court and that she committed other improprieties as a person and a lawyer. In that affidavit, Smith disclosed what he claimed was an affair between Taitz and Charles Lincoln, not between himself and Taitz.
Judge Carter found Lucas Smith's affidavit sufficiently credible, despite Smith's well-known history, to admonish Orly Taitz for her conduct in the case.
It was Lucas Smith who denounced Taitz to Judge Carter in an affidavit because she allegedly asked Smith to lie to the Court and that she committed other improprieties as a person and a lawyer. In that affidavit, Smith disclosed what he claimed was an affair between Taitz and Charles Lincoln, not between himself and Taitz.
Judge Carter found Lucas Smith's affidavit sufficiently credible, despite Smith's well-known history, to admonish Orly Taitz for her conduct in the case.
Well, it is certainly nice to know from sworn testimony of Lucas Smith that Orly Taitz is a confirmed liar, and urges her witnesses (at least this one, anyway) to lie to a court of law...
At least in that respect, we know that Orly Taitz is no one to pay attention to.
Thus, if we believe Lucas Smith about Orly Taitz, we can forget Orly Taitz as who wants a confirmed liar and someone who urges witnesses to lie to a court to be the one to go after Obama... LOL...
But, on the other hand, it could be Lucas Smith who is the confirmed liar and he's stupid enough to lie through his teeth to a court of law and that Orly Taitz is telling the truth.
If that were the case, then probably Lucas Smith doesn't have the Kenyan birth certificate of Obama's, but is lying about that, too.
On the other hand -- Lucas Smith could be lying about Orly Taitz lying, and actually telling the truth about having the Kenyan birth certificate of Obama. And then, of course, it's sorta good to know that Orly Taitz wasn't "screwing around" (in the Biblical sense) with Lucas Smith, and was only doing it with Charles Lincoln... :-)
HOWEVER, they could all by lying and be basically as crazy as loons in the first place.
Ummmm..., is this the group of characters that is going to get Obama in court?? LOL...
IMH? I presume you mean IMO, anyway. Unless you were there day to day, and know what she did, why she did it, and in what order, as well as know every facet of the decision making process, you would only be capable of analyzing what she released, and none of the process. So to say the result is sheer stupidity, means its “not” ignorance, because you can learn from not knowing, but that she knows what’s right and does wrong anyway, hence stupidity. Is that what you think?
You don’t know the thought process of the judges, or the political ramifications of the decision making process, because your not there, and are not, and have not experienced the decision making progress by the judges, just the results of that process. Nor, I presume, do you know the agenda of those judges, clerks, the good ole boy groups that cuss and discuss this with the judge. So on what basis do you conclude that she has botched EVERY case? Do you even know EVERY case she has filed? Really? and with malice aforethought to make it sheer stupidity? I don’t think you have enough information to make that decision.
I could give a flip if you like her or not, your not qualified to make that statement, neither am I. So you have correctly (I presume) stated an opinion, nothing more. It’s factually baseless as stated. Who Cares, it’s worth what it cost. Nothing. Same as me.
YOU call it as YOU see it, you cannot lump anyone but yourself into an opinion...why, that would be STUPID..LOL
Have a good day N-S
I love your thought process. You must have read InspectorSmiths rants on youtube as well as Taits replies on her website. Surely you have concluded that anyone at anytime can lie about anything for any reason. True true true. So, it comes down to verifying things factually on their own merits.
IMO the Kenyan BC is genuine, and the process documented with the courts.
It did not become a pissing match until Taits refused to pay for Lucas’ exploits/expenses. Then the sh#t hit the fan. Lincoln had Taits handle some real estate matters for him, and acted as a law clerk. Smith accused Taits of having relations with Lincoln, which her husband thinks is hilarious. Lincoln is mum on the subject. He lost his liscense to practice law, and got pissed when Taits gave him a bill for court costs for the RE work, just the costs. Go figure.
Taits submitted the verifiable facts to the court, and further asked the court to order forensic Analysis of the documents from Lucas Smith. As of this point, they have not done so. She did this with urgency, as it was thought his life was in danger, and once the documents were filed, it was too late to intervene.
As for Lucas accusations that he filed, or Lincoln filed anything with the California Bar against Taits, she stated they are not able to file anything against her, and to date nothing has been filed with the California bar by them.
So, who you gonna belive? I say nobody. Let the facts presented speak for themselves. People lie, or tell the truth, for their own reasons.
The book is not finished yet, but so far, its an interesting story. I look forward to the ending.
She may not be the one to bring down Obama, but he is going down. It might be Donofrio, or another lawyer, it might be the states, it might be us, replacing every incumbent in November, but his days are numbered. I want to see it happen, and I am patient enough to wait.
Anyone has standing to sue on a Constitutional matter. I do hope you and the rest of Orly’s critics will have the grace to make a fullsome public appology when she is proven correct.
IMHO actually.
Unless you were there day to day, and know what she did, why she did it, and in what order, as well as know every facet of the decision making process, you would only be capable of analyzing what she released, and none of the process.
Well I could also read her filings, with all their typos and misspellings and misstatements and tortured logic, and see how miserable her legal abilities are. Or I could read the court transcripts of her attempts at playing lawyer and watch her in action. All available on Scribid for the world to see. And all paint a picture of Orly as a complete boob lost in the legal world.
YOU call it as YOU see it, you cannot lump anyone but yourself into an opinion...why, that would be STUPID..LOL
It's not STUPID when I base it on Orly's own antics. You're the one acting on your own opinion and hero worship of Tatiz.
If Orly actually accomplishes something then I'll recognize her for it.
I neither worship her, or idolize her. I observe her efforts, good or bad, efforts that actually happen, not just talk about happening.
Donofrio, is snails pace slow, quo warranto action is speculated, nothing more.
Again, your speaking as if you could do better, and know the system better than she does. If that’s true, why are you not filing masterpieces. If not, I would speculate that she knows more about the law than you, without resorting to a web search or a Scribd review.
Speaking ill of a filing, after the fact, is easy, the work is before the filing, and I submit, it was clear enough for you to criticize it? No? With all the bumbling, she is forging ahead, and not letting the issue die, from her detractors and critics. I think that is admirable, she has her eye on the prize.
Not something to be scorned, regardless of the cause, but to be admired.
She is determined, while those around her do nothing, and complain...
I'm not because I don't have standing to sue. Something that seems to have escaped Orly time and time again.
Speaking ill of a filing, after the fact, is easy, the work is before the filing, and I submit, it was clear enough for you to criticize it? No? With all the bumbling, she is forging ahead, and not letting the issue die, from her detractors and critics. I think that is admirable, she has her eye on the prize.
Forging ahead? She's failed in every case she's filed, and in every appeal. All she's accomplished is a $20,000 fine levied in Georgia and probably disbarment for not paying it.
Not something to be scorned, regardless of the cause, but to be admired. She is determined, while those around her do nothing, and complain...
She's a crackpot, not deserving of admiration.
I don’t think that would actually stop him, but working to pass a law that codifies how your state determines ballot eligibility is at least a credible and sane activity.
These pictures are actually amusing. Good work.
Sadly, at this point, Orly's professional acumen is self-evident to any competent attorney. A few more such suits, and it will be evident to anyone who ever watched an episode of Law and Order.
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