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To: BigReb555

Stop the revisionism.

Robert E. Lee was a traitor.


8 posted on 01/05/2010 3:40:09 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

“Stop the revisionism.

Robert E. Lee was a traitor.”

Lee lived and died a Great American, among the greatest.

Instead of maligning him, you should aspire to be like Lee, if you think you are worthy enough.


10 posted on 01/05/2010 3:52:44 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Reagan Man

You are a traitor to revisionism, sir.


11 posted on 01/05/2010 3:55:22 PM PST by conservaDave (You can't ignore the democRAT...He's a menace to health, home and industry...kill him!)
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To: Reagan Man

You are a traitor to revisionism, sir.


12 posted on 01/05/2010 3:55:41 PM PST by conservaDave (You can't ignore the democRAT...He's a menace to health, home and industry...kill him!)
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To: Reagan Man

You are a traitor to revisionism, sir.


13 posted on 01/05/2010 3:55:43 PM PST by conservaDave (You can't ignore the democRAT...He's a menace to health, home and industry...kill him!)
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To: Reagan Man

You are a traitor to revisionism, sir.


14 posted on 01/05/2010 3:55:50 PM PST by conservaDave (You can't ignore the democRAT...He's a menace to health, home and industry...kill him!)
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To: Reagan Man

Lol. Someone has been in the government “skool” system way too long.


15 posted on 01/05/2010 3:56:29 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Reagan Man

Then so was George Washington...


23 posted on 01/05/2010 4:27:27 PM PST by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: Reagan Man

“With all my devotion to the Union and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relatives, my children, my home. I have therefore resigned my commission in the Army, and save in defense of my native State, with the sincere hope that my poor services may never be needed, I hope I may never be called on to draw my sword...”

His last five years were spent as a non-citizen with life and liberty at the mercy of the bounders and petty tyrants who had come exercise the power of the United States. This he endured with exemplary Christian fortitude and charity. Lee was an audacious military genius and inspired leader of men, called by Churchill the greatest captain of the English-speaking peoples, but his fame rests even more upon his character. No American leader has ever set a higher example in peace and war of what the Western world used to understand as a Christian gentleman. When the “traitor” died in 1870, the New York Herald editorialized: “Here in the North we . . .have claimed him as one of ourselves. . . have extolled his virtue as reflecting upon us – for Robert E. Lee was an American, and the great nation which gave him birth would be today unworthy of such a son if she regarded him lightly.”

Explain yourself ReaganMAN!!


24 posted on 01/05/2010 4:32:52 PM PST by mo
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To: Reagan Man
Robert E. Lee considered himself a Virginian first and an "American" second -- a very commonplace world view back then. If Virginia had opted to stay in the Union, Lee would have led the Army of Northern Virginia on behalf of the Union and nobody ever would have heard of Ulysses S. Grant.

That kind of mindset is beyond the comprehension of most people today. A nation that despises those kinds of loyalties has nothing to complain about when it ends up being led by a half-black, quasi-Muslim chief executive who considers himself a "citizen of the world" and has no loyalty to this country at all.

26 posted on 01/05/2010 4:45:01 PM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: Reagan Man

Lee was as great as Washington, he just happened to lose.


33 posted on 01/05/2010 5:10:56 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: Reagan Man
No matter where I live, I will always be a Virginian first. My family has been in the same area since the mid 1600's and were witness to and participants in the history we were taught in school.

In that context, understand this quote:

"With all my devotion to the Union and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relatives, my children, my home. I have therefore resigned my commission in the Army, and save in defense of my native State, with the sincere hope that my poor services may never be needed, I hope I may never be called on to draw my sword....." Lee in a letter to his sister, April 20, 1861

It was an honorable decision..to suggest anything else is revisionist.

Lest anyone think I wrap myself up in the Rebel Flag and sing Dixie, not so fast. My family was considered nothing less than traitorous. My ancestor was considered the leader of a "Nest of Union men" between Cold Harbor and Dispatch Station. The night of the succession vote he rode past the tavern with 2 Union flags on his buggy and a "Whoop and a holler." The day after the vote he and others raised a Union flag high above Barker's Store.

"He did more for the black man than he could have done had he picked up a gun and fought with the Yankees." Not my words, the words of a friend, an ex-slave, who would drive the market carts from Richmond with a Rebel deserter, an escaped Union prisoner or a runaway slave hidden in the back. Another member of the 'nest' was a man considered to be the "meanest son of a bitch in the county because he believed no man should be owned." Another painted a sign with an eagle and the words "E Pluribus Unum" and put it in front of his tavern...the very tavern where the succession vote was held. He was disinherited by his father.

When they arrived at the old place my ancestor would smuggle them past confederate lines to Charles City. He rented a house in New Kent County for them to stay until the group was ready to leave. He loaned them money--a gift really because he knew he would not see these people again.

As a Virginian, I understand Lee's decision. I respect it. I admire the decision my family made. The lesson learned was stand up for what you think is right, regardless of the risk.

One thing is for certain, the very same people who called my family traitors and wanted to hang them from a tree for siding with the Union were a hell of a lot more forgiving than people are today. When the war was over, it was over. They got on with their lives.

So I am not some Southern "Heritage, not Hate" romantic as we are stereotyped. I don't pretend to speak for all Southerners, they don't need my voice. But I have made it a point to learn how history affected my family through the centuries.

I am not a debater. I cannot argue the causes of the war on a scholarly level. But I do have a good idea of what the real world was like for my family. I usually stay away from these threads. It is like arguing religion. Sometimes I just get pissed off and can't keep my mouth shut. :-)

37 posted on 01/05/2010 5:33:52 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Reagan Man
Stop the revisionism.

You clearly do not understand this term any better than you understand U.S. history.

39 posted on 01/05/2010 5:43:27 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Reagan Man

“Robert E. Lee was a traitor.” Then what in the hell is Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.?


50 posted on 01/05/2010 6:53:09 PM PST by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Reagan Man

“Robert E. Lee was a traitor.”

To whom? The United States or the united States? Lincoln was a traitor to all things concerning liberty and freedom.


51 posted on 01/05/2010 6:53:26 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Reagan Man

‘zat you Wlat?


61 posted on 01/05/2010 8:23:11 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Reagan Man

No, Lee was loyal to his state and his people. Lee was an American hero and a paragon of the Southern virtue that perished in that war as opposed to Grant who was a lush and Sherman who was a war criminal.


70 posted on 01/10/2010 10:31:25 PM PST by AzaleaCity5691
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To: Reagan Man
Reagan Man:

When I noted that most Freepers are favorable to Robert E. Lee, you responded,

Only those perpetuating a dead ideology from 145 years ago. I'll excuse the ignorant. Just remember, whether Lee was called a traitor or just a disloyal American, never forget where Arlington National Cemetery was located and why.
However, if you search through the Lee threads on FR, you will find that the vast majority are favorable. Most negative remarks about him concern not his supposed "treason," but rather his judgment as a military strategist and tactician.

No, I haven't forgotten where Arlington National Cemetery is located, and why--it is on land that was illegally seized from the Lee family by the federal government.

71 posted on 01/11/2010 7:10:28 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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