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Shooting at shopping mall in Espoo, Finland
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Posted on 12/31/2009 1:35:17 AM PST by Viiksitimali

Shots have been fired at a shopping centre in the town of Espoo, near the capital of Finland, Helsinki.

An eyewitness said at least one person was left lying on the floor after shooting broke out, the national broadcaster YLE said on its website.

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1 posted on 12/31/2009 1:35:20 AM PST by Viiksitimali
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To: Viiksitimali

Police: At Least 4 Shot at Espoo Mall

http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/12/police_at_least_4_shot_at_espoo_mall_1331619.html


2 posted on 12/31/2009 1:35:58 AM PST by Viiksitimali
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Finland-Eyewitnesses-Report-Shooting-At-Shopping-Centre-In-Town-Of-Espoo-Near-Helsinki/Article/200912415511444

Jon di Paolo, Sky News Online
“Four people have reportedly been shot after a gunman went on the rampage in a shopping centre in Finland.”

SNIPPET: “News agencies say many ambulances have been called to the mall in the town of Espoo near the capital, Helsinki.

YLE, the Finnish English-language news service, is reporting that one or more people were shot at the centre’s Prisma grocery shop.

One employee was apparently seen lying on the floor in the upper level of the business.

A man dressed in black was seen walking toward Citymarket, another grocery store.”


3 posted on 12/31/2009 1:46:39 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Viiksitimali

http://static.iltalehti.fi/espoo/vaakasello3112HL_eo.jpg

http://www.twazzup.com/?q=espoo+finland&l=all


4 posted on 12/31/2009 1:47:36 AM PST by Viiksitimali
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To: Viiksitimali

It must dangerous in Europe...I’m glad I don’t live there.


5 posted on 12/31/2009 1:47:44 AM PST by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: Viiksitimali

Ok, that’s your twitter like thing...

Pulling this off:

Quote:

http://www.twazzup.com/?q=espoo+finland&l=all

Looking at this poster:

http://www.twazzup.com/breakingreport


6 posted on 12/31/2009 1:53:51 AM PST by Cindy
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Quote from twazzup.com/breakingreport:

breakingreport
_INTERRUPT_: Shooter wearing black still at large in shopping center Espoo(Finland). At least four people injured, one with bullet in head.
3 min ago from web


7 posted on 12/31/2009 1:55:35 AM PST by Cindy
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http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/12/police_at_least_4_dead_at_espoo_mall_1331619.html

“Police: At Least 4 Dead at Espoo Mall”
published today 10:55 AM, updated today 11:58 AM

SNIPPET: “The gunman apparently remains at large.”


8 posted on 12/31/2009 2:00:37 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Viiksitimali

Ok Viksitimali...here’s a live report.

Can you translate and is there a description on the suspect other than he’s wearing black?

http://arenan.yle.fi/player/index.php?stream=401&language=sv


9 posted on 12/31/2009 2:03:19 AM PST by Cindy
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Remember lurkers...breaking news is just that ... breaking... information can change quickly.


10 posted on 12/31/2009 2:05:03 AM PST by Cindy
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ON THE INTERNET:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=finland&search_sort=video_date_uploaded&suggested_categories=19%2C24%2C10%2C23%2C22%2C25&uni=3


11 posted on 12/31/2009 2:08:00 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Could be a muslim but sounds more like a crazy kid, probably with youtube videos and angry webpages.


12 posted on 12/31/2009 2:09:08 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (They didn't like " Merry Christmas"... well then - Happy New Year of our Lord 2010!)
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To: Cindy

Google translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yle.fi%2Fuutiset%2Fkotimaa%2F2009%2F12%2Fnelja_kuoli_ammuskelussa_espoon_sellossa_-_tekijan_henkilollisyys_poliisin_tiedossa_1331536.html&sl=auto&tl=en


13 posted on 12/31/2009 2:09:26 AM PST by Viiksitimali
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To: Viiksitimali

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/12/police_at_least_4_dead_at_espoo_mall_1331619.html

NEWS
Index > News > Article
“Police: At Least 4 Dead at Espoo Mall”
published today 10:55 AM, updated today 12:07 PM

SNIPPET: “The Sello shopping mall in central Espoo has been closed following a shooting incident on Thursday morning that has left at least four dead. Police say they have identified the gunman, but he apparently remains at large.

The shots reportedly began around 10.20. Espoo Police say at least four people have been shot dead, three men and one woman.

They say the perpetrator was a man born in 1966, and that he used a 9mm handgun.”


14 posted on 12/31/2009 2:12:31 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Viiksitimali

Thank you.


15 posted on 12/31/2009 2:13:38 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Shooter belong to gypsy minority

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fi&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmurobbs.plaza.fi%2Fyleista-keskustelua%2F631787-espoon-sellon-prismassa-ammuttu-henkiloa-31-12-009-a-12.html


16 posted on 12/31/2009 2:21:24 AM PST by Viiksitimali
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ADDING to post no. 7:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8435857.stm

Page last updated at 10:12 GMT, Thursday, 31 December 2009

“’Fatal’ shooting at shopping mall in Espoo, Finland”

SNIPPET: “A witness said an employee of the Prisma grocery store was left lying on the floor of the shop, and that a man dressed in black was seen walking toward the Citymarket store.

A separate, unconfirmed, report said one person had been shot twice in the head and another in the stomach.”


17 posted on 12/31/2009 2:21:44 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Viiksitimali

Ok, and according to the translation link it looks like an image was captured of the shooter.

Do you have a lot of gypsy minorities in Finland?


18 posted on 12/31/2009 2:23:43 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

At the moment, at least 10,000 Roma reside in Finland. In addition, approximately 3,500 Finnish Roma live in Sweden.
http://www.errc.org/cikk.php?cikk=2077


19 posted on 12/31/2009 2:27:10 AM PST by Viiksitimali
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To: Viiksitimali

Ok, I didn’t know that.
Thanks.


20 posted on 12/31/2009 2:28:13 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Viiksitimali

If I lived in “Espoo”, I’d kill somebody!!

;-)


21 posted on 12/31/2009 2:32:00 AM PST by djf
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To: Viiksitimali

I don’t see anything new in the news.

I’ll check back in later this morning.

Thanks for posting this thread.


22 posted on 12/31/2009 2:32:38 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Viiksitimali
“Finland has deep-rooted hunting traditions and ranks - along with the United States - among the top five nations in the world in civilian gun ownership.

The country has 1.6 million firearms in private hands - with a population of 5.3 million.
Politicians, social workers and religious leaders have urged tighter gun laws, more vigilance of Internet sites, and more social bonding in the small Nordic nation, known for its high suicide rates, heavy drinking and domestic violence.”

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1239610/Finland-mall-shooting-Gunman-opens-Sello-shopping-centre-Espoo.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo#ixzz0bGG407QJ
From UK Daily Mail.

Funny how newspapers will never speculate about the role of Islam in the immediate aftermath of an atrocity but are happy enough to wade into the gun lobby.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

From the UK (No guns allowed)

23 posted on 12/31/2009 2:37:31 AM PST by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: vimto
...also note the mention of the United States....liberals just cannot resist having a dig whenever the pseudo opportunity arises.
24 posted on 12/31/2009 2:39:19 AM PST by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: vimto

NRA Finland

Kansallinen Kivääriyhdistys (National Rifle Association) of Finland founded officially on July 7th, 2006 to watch and protect the rights of the gun owners, who have about 1,700,000 guns. 540,000 people, which is 10 per cent of the total population of Finland, have license to own guns. It means, that Finland is the third in percentage in the whole World, the U.S.A. is the first, Jemen the second. Only 20 per cent of all homicides in Finland are done with guns and about half of it the gun used has been illegally owned (not licensed). Finland became as a member of the E.U. on 1995, then among numerous of others, the gun directive started to concern Finland, too. The legislation in Finland transferred to correspond with the 1991 directive of the E.U. and people still have the opportunity to own guns.
http://www.nra.fi/english/06-column-president.html


25 posted on 12/31/2009 2:42:56 AM PST by Viiksitimali
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To: vimto

I believe that should be no legal weapons allowed.

But that’s just me...


26 posted on 12/31/2009 2:43:57 AM PST by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: Viiksitimali
Bumping for tracking. Thanks for the post!

Sello Mall is quite large IIRC. A very busy place with 3 or 4 sections with over 150 shops.

prisoner6

27 posted on 12/31/2009 2:46:53 AM PST by prisoner6 (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I am a FREE MAN!)
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To: Dallas59

“It must dangerous in Europe...I’m glad I don’t live there.”

Not a problem here in Texas anymore. I was just eating dinner with some Northeasterners last night at a crowded restaurant and explaining that if someone tried anything cute, he’d likely have bullets coming at him from at least 5 directions.


28 posted on 12/31/2009 2:49:42 AM PST by BobL (When Democrats start to love this country more than they hate Republicans, good things might happen.)
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To: Cindy

Amateur video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpdsAXVaiWI


29 posted on 12/31/2009 2:52:14 AM PST by Viiksitimali (Amateur video)
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To: Viiksitimali

I see on the video a commenter posts a name possibly of the shooter.
I can’t find anything like that on a news site.

Can you confirm the name of the shooter?


30 posted on 12/31/2009 2:58:45 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Yes , not a gypsy.
Albanian name

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fi&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltasanomat.fi%2Fuutiset%2Fkotimaa%2Fuutinen.asp%3Fid%3D1845970


31 posted on 12/31/2009 3:01:06 AM PST by Viiksitimali (Amateur video)
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To: Viiksitimali

Thank you Viiksitimali.

#

Note: The following news brief snippet is a quote:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fi&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltasanomat.fi%2Fuutiset%2Fkotimaa%2Fuutinen.asp%3Fid%3D1845970

Her search for Cello killings
31.12.2009 12:47, last updated 31.12.
12:54

Surmasta four people suspected of Espoo Sello shopping Shkupolli Ibrahim called the man, which is assumed to be armed and dangerous.

He was born in 1966 and lived in Finland for a longer period of time. Shkupollia has not yet been reached.

Observations on the man and the audience asked what happened to number 071 87 38 250


32 posted on 12/31/2009 3:04:22 AM PST by Cindy
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ON THE INTERNET:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4662077


33 posted on 12/31/2009 3:06:55 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Nachum; SJackson; Velveeta; Oorang; MamaDearest

ping


34 posted on 12/31/2009 3:08:33 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Viiksitimali

Best of luck there, but since the alleged shooter is protected species, there will be loud calls to go after all the guns instead.

My only advice is don’t give an inch on gun control and instead to get the debate where it’s needed (i.e., just why are Scandinavians inviting in so many of these people, and what exactly did anyone expect to happen).


35 posted on 12/31/2009 3:13:13 AM PST by BobL (When Democrats start to love this country more than they hate Republicans, good things might happen.)
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Fifth victim

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltalehti.fi%2Fuutiset%2F200912310130707_uu.shtml&sl=auto&tl=en


36 posted on 12/31/2009 3:17:22 AM PST by Viiksitimali (Amateur video)
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To: BobL

This is what happens when Socialist countries start to grab guns. “Licensed” means confiscation and gun owners are afraid to carry for fear of losing their gun rights.


37 posted on 12/31/2009 3:18:37 AM PST by AUH2O Repub ( SPalin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Viiksitimali

Thank you.

Google - Translation:

UPDATE:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltalehti.fi%2Fuutiset%2F200912310130707_uu.shtml&sl=auto&tl=en

“Espoolaisasunnosta fifth victim was found”
Thursday, 31.12.2009 at 13.07

SNIPPET: “From the magazine has learned that the apartment is found espoolaisesta fifth victim.”


38 posted on 12/31/2009 3:20:06 AM PST by Cindy
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A few more details...

http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/12/police_four_dead_at_espoo_mall_1331619.html

“Police: Four Dead at Espoo Mall”
published today 10:55 AM, updated today 01:17 PM

SNIPPET: “The Sello shopping mall in central Espoo has been closed following a shooting incident on Thursday morning that has left four dead. Police say they have identified the gunman. He remains at large.

Police are looking for the suspect, Ibrahim Shkupolli. He is considered armed and dangerous, and has had run-ins with the police in the past. They say the suspect was born in 1966, and that he used a 9mm handgun.”


39 posted on 12/31/2009 3:22:16 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Viiksitimali
I hope this ISN'T the suspect's website! Some scary stuff!

Ibrahim Shkupolli

prisoner6

40 posted on 12/31/2009 3:23:35 AM PST by prisoner6 (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I am a FREE MAN!)
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More details:

Google - Translation:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=fi&u=http://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/artikkeli/Poliisi%2Bep%25C3%25A4ilee%2Bampujan%2Bolevan%2BIbrahim%2BShkupolli/1135251814729%3Fref%3Drss&prev=/search%3Fq%3DIbrahim%2BShkupolli%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhitEIgNeBASuXXA_PpNZZqXqjh1AQ

“Ibrahim Shkupolli suspected shooter has been convicted aserikoksesta”
31.12.2009 13:03 | Updated: 31.12.2009 13:10

HELSINGIN SANOMAT

SNIPPET: “The suspected shooter has been sentenced in 2001 to assault and in 2007, firearms aserikoksesta Helsinki District Court.

For more information, the case gives a press conference at 14.30.”


41 posted on 12/31/2009 3:25:01 AM PST by Cindy
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Shkupolli picture
http://poliisi.fi/poliisi/lansi-uusimaa/home.nsf/PFBD/03E067B852FA50DDC225769D00383BE1/$file/Shkupolli.jpg?OpenElement


42 posted on 12/31/2009 3:25:26 AM PST by Viiksitimali (Amateur video)
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To: Viiksitimali

Ok, thank you.


43 posted on 12/31/2009 3:30:10 AM PST by Cindy
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To: AUH2O Repub

“This is what happens when Socialist countries start to grab guns. “Licensed” means confiscation and gun owners are afraid to carry for fear of losing their gun rights.”

Actually, over there, I think “licensed” simply means that you can have a gun in your house (which is also true, I think, in a few very left-wing areas of the US). Forget about concealed carry.


44 posted on 12/31/2009 3:31:33 AM PST by BobL (When Democrats start to love this country more than they hate Republicans, good things might happen.)
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To: Cindy
I'm fairly certain the website I posted IS connected to the perp. Following the links in it I come to a magazine - not sure where it's from - that has a picture of the Sello mall.

There is also this:

"I am a 44-kosovo-albansk årig åbnede mand i dag flere fremmed ild mod i et indkøbscenter i Finland og dræbte fire."

That's from google translateion. I have no idea what did not get translated.

prisoner6

45 posted on 12/31/2009 3:35:31 AM PST by prisoner6 (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I am a FREE MAN!)
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To: prisoner6

Thank you prisoner 6.
It is an odd web site, to say the least.


46 posted on 12/31/2009 3:38:37 AM PST by Cindy
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More details from the Danish News site referenced in the website.

A 44-year-old Kosovo Albanian man opened fire today at a number of strangers in a shopping mall in Finland, killing four. Besides the four victims, police have found the man's ex-wife killed in her home, said Finnish police to TV2 News.

Three men and one woman has died in a bloody drama shot in a shopping center in southern Finland, said Finnish police, according to Ritzau.

A 44-year-old man opened around pm. 10 local time fire on customers and staff in the Sello shopping center, located in Finland's second largest city, Espoo. "

A total of four were killed in the mall. A man was among the second hit twice in the head and a woman was shot in the stomach, said Ritzau.

Police have also found the offender's ex-wife killed in her home, and the theory is, therefore, that have killed his ex-wife before he continues with his insane jealousy, revenge in the mall.

The 44-year-old Kosovar Albanians are known to the police and have previously been in their sights because husspetakler and illegal immigration, said a press release work for TV2 News,

Shopping center evacuated

A panic in the large shopping center, when the man at. 10 local time, began to shoot at random in the center's ground floor.

An elderly couple in the supermarket Prisma says, according to Ritzau that they heard a loud noise and saw a male employee in the electronics department lie on the floor.

Then went the perpetrator apparently passed on to the mall 2nd floor, where he fired several shots at random.

Part of the shopping center is blocked by, and people have been evacuated.

Police hunt offender still at large center.

prisoner6

47 posted on 12/31/2009 3:47:09 AM PST by prisoner6 (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I am a FREE MAN!)
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Note: Photos included.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/12/police_five_dead_following_shooting_rampage_1331619.html

“Police: Five Dead following Shooting Rampage”
published today 10:55 AM, updated today 02:11 PM

SNIPPET: “Four people were killed in a shooting at the Sello shopping mall in central Espoo on Thursday morning. A fifth victim, a woman, related to the case was found dead in a flat in Espoo. Police say they have identified the gunman who still remains at large.”


48 posted on 12/31/2009 4:20:27 AM PST by Cindy
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To: prisoner6

Thank you prisoner 6 for the post.


49 posted on 12/31/2009 4:22:07 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Viiksitimali
The 44-year-old Kosovar Albanians are known to the police

Not another looney Lutheran?

50 posted on 12/31/2009 4:31:31 AM PST by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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