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Teen slain in honour killing 'was pregnant'
Nine News ^ | December 18, 2009

Posted on 12/17/2009 9:24:32 PM PST by myknowledge

A 15-year-old British girl murdered by her father in so-called honour killing was reportedly pregnant at the time of her death.

Tulay Goren disappeared in January 1999, shortly after her father told his eight-year-old son to kiss his sister goodbye as he would never see her again. Her body was never found.

Mehmet Goren, 49, was yesterday handed a life sentence for killing his daughter because of her relationship with an older man who belonged to a different branch of Islam.

As detectives admitted police had ignored “tell-tale signs” before the murder, an old school friend of Tulay’s told the BBC the teenager had admitted to being pregnant.

“One day she came in and said, ‘I’m pregnant and I’m going to run away,’ but I didn’t know if she was serious or not,” Nadia Mahmood recalled.

“I thought it was just one of those things you say.”

Tulay’s mother Hanim, who had suffered three decades of abuse at her husband’s hands, was among those who gave evidence against Goren, weeping and screaming in the witness box and demanding he reveal where the body was so she could bury it.

One of his other daughters, Nuray Guler, also testified against him, screaming: "Even animals would not do what you have done."

Prosecution lawyer Jonathan Laidlaw told the court that the Goren case was a "terrible reminder of what honour-based crime can involve" and a "wake-up call" to the existence of so-called "honour killings" in Britain.

Police had become involved with the family in the weeks before the murder, when Goren beat up his daughter's boyfriend, Halil Unal, then complained about their relationship to officers and demanded she take a virginity test.

Tulay ran away and told police her father had beaten her and she would rather go into care than return home, but her mother persuaded her to go back.

Goren attacked his daughter's boyfriend for a second time just 13 days after Tulay went missing, this time with a hatchet, and it was while in hospital that Unal reported his girlfriend missing.

But police failed to put two and two together and it was two months before they began to suspect Tulay had been murdered. They submitted a file to prosecutors in 2000 but were told there was not enough evidence for charges.

Goren was finally arrested in 2008, along with his two brothers, after a review.

Both his brothers were cleared of wrongdoing in court Thursday.

An ethnic Kurd from Elbistan in Turkey, Goren had moved to Britain claiming asylum in 1996. He was jailed in 2000 for his hatchet attack on Unal but escaped deportation because his family all lived in Britain.

The 49-year-old admitted hitting his daughter and wife but denied murder, saying he still believed Tulay was alive and "will turn up one day".


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: honorkilling; honorkillings; honourkilling; islam; muslims; religionofpeace; uk

15 year old Turay Goren was 'honor-killed' by her father in January 1999, all because she was pregnant with the child of an older guy who was a Shiite.

Mehmet Goren

There is nothing honorable about honor killings. I mean, why would Mehmet Goren kill his pregnant daughter Turay? The virus of Islam takes root.

1 posted on 12/17/2009 9:24:35 PM PST by myknowledge
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To: myknowledge

It took the “system” 8 years(?!) to get around to arresting him. UK had better wake up fast, if it’s not too late.


2 posted on 12/17/2009 9:32:14 PM PST by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: myknowledge

These people revere the 8th Century. The bones and flesh of people of the 8th Century are dust. Send these murderers back to the 8th Century. Dust unto dust!


3 posted on 12/17/2009 9:33:07 PM PST by Rembrandt
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To: myknowledge

Those poor children. May they rest in peace.


4 posted on 12/17/2009 9:40:02 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Rembrandt

Interesting, the murderer did not go after the statutory rapist of his daughter.


5 posted on 12/17/2009 9:40:39 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Marie2

I mean, I guess he beat him up, but he didn’t kill him.


6 posted on 12/17/2009 9:41:59 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: myknowledge
"The 49-year-old admitted hitting his daughter and wife but denied murder, saying he still believed Tulay was alive and "will turn up one day

Beating a woman and a child doesn't cut it where I come from. This guy needs to get a royal ass kicking to see what it feels like. We don't need muslims in this country. I don't know why England tolerates them.

7 posted on 12/17/2009 10:04:22 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: myknowledge
The virus of Islam takes root.

Hey, they're ordinary folks just like us, except different in some minor cultural manners and mores. Former President Bush told us as much, and 'bama agrees. What's WRONG WITH YOU? {sarcasm OFF!}

8 posted on 12/17/2009 10:07:40 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Give 'em hell, Sarah!)
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To: blackbart.223

England tolerates them for the same reason we tolerant illegal immigration: they are the work force neither Western culture will produce naturally.


9 posted on 12/17/2009 10:12:39 PM PST by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: Carlos Martillo II
"England tolerates them for the same reason we tolerant illegal immigration: they are the work force neither Western culture will produce naturally."

I have news for you asshole. I'm fifty six years old. I go out into the heat and cold and earn a living. Most illegals learn to game the system and claim aggrieved status at my expense. Go peddle your BS somewhere else.

10 posted on 12/17/2009 10:22:34 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223

Go sleep it off; you kiss your mother with that mouth?


11 posted on 12/17/2009 10:26:25 PM PST by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: myknowledge

May God bless her soul. She is beautiful.


12 posted on 12/17/2009 10:29:53 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: myknowledge
I mean, why would Mehmet Goren kill his pregnant daughter Turay?

Because islam doesn't work. They deny Christ.

13 posted on 12/17/2009 10:30:53 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: Carlos Martillo II
"Go sleep it off; you kiss your mother with that mouth?"

Is that the best you can do? Logic and reason is not your best suit. But I'm certain you are liberal so it stands to reason.

14 posted on 12/17/2009 10:34:17 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223

Yes, I’m from DU. Read my posts. You in no way addressed my point that the falling birth rate in the West is the cause for the immigration from the 3rd world. You probably don’t even understand what the hell I’m talking about. In US cities, these immigrants are the only thing keeping them from becoming ghost towns (hence our wonderful “sanctuary city” policies).


15 posted on 12/17/2009 10:48:06 PM PST by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: Clock King

Just think: Those islamists charged with honor killings today will likely get off since Britain will be islamic by the time they otherwise would have been convicted.


16 posted on 12/17/2009 10:52:29 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Carlos Martillo II
"Yes, I’m from DU. Read my posts. You in no way addressed my point that the falling birth rate in the West is the cause for the immigration from the 3rd world. You probably don’t even understand what the hell I’m talking about. . (hence our wonderful “sanctuary city” policies).

I have read what you posted here. Now go pester someone else.

17 posted on 12/17/2009 11:14:22 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Carlos Martillo II

Granted, it’s our fault for ...

1) worshiping money over Jesus
2) voting in corrupt politicians

But this “declining birthrate” makes the problem sound more endemic to whiteness than I care to let you slide with amigo.

If citizens are not having children, it’s probably because of the following truths.

Please check out http://tonyrogers.com/humor/joelegal_vs_joseillegal.htm. There you will find the following.

Have a nice day.

*****************************

Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically productive for the State of California:

You have 2 families. “Joe Legal” and “José Illegal.” Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California.

“Joe Legal” works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted.

“José Illegal” also works in construction, has “NO” Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year.

Now take 30% away for state federal tax. Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

José Illegal makes $15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year.

José Illegal pays no taxes. José Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage of $1000.00 per month, or $12,000.00 per year.

Joe Legal now has $19,231.00.


José Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. José Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare.
Joe Legal pays for food. $1,000.00 per month or $12,000.00 per year.
Joe Legal now has $ 7,231.00.

José Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and Welfare.
José Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month or $12,000.00 per year.
Joe Legal is now in the hole... minus (-) $4,769.00.

José Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy. José Illegal pays rent of $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year.
José Illegal still has $25,200.00.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

José Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal’s and José Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while José Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch.

José Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.
Joe Legal and José Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services, but Joe paid for them and José did not pay.


18 posted on 12/17/2009 11:16:01 PM PST by ROTB (40% get gubmint money. Public Option vs. Insurance: Armed men at my door demanding payment.)
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To: myknowledge

islam is a disease! it must be eliminated!


19 posted on 12/17/2009 11:21:06 PM PST by pelagic_hunter (Climate Change is true!...Spring,Summer,Fall,&Winter...)
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To: Carlos Martillo II

Nonsense. Half of them are on welfare.


20 posted on 12/18/2009 12:57:22 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: myknowledge; Black Agnes

Eternal Islam.

I’ll bet the “older man” was dear old Dad. A chip off Mad Mo’s block.


21 posted on 12/18/2009 3:52:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Clock King

Thats because it is a good system designed with the proviso that the onus of proof is on the accuser. There is no body, I believe the body has never been found, and a culture of oppression against witnesses that has to be broken down. And it has been broken down. All round good news.


22 posted on 12/18/2009 4:55:17 AM PST by Vanders9
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