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Let soldiers pack heat on post
WND ^ | 10 November, 2009 | Gerard Valentino

Posted on 11/12/2009 7:59:41 PM PST by marktwain

As a veteran of the U.S. Army, I was brought to tears by the horrific massacre at Fort Hood, Texas. Seeing coverage of my former comrades brutally murdered at my former duty station was almost too much to take. The news that it was allegedly the act of a fellow soldier remains unfathomable.

While stationed there a few years back, we knew were sitting ducks for a terrorist attack and that only the appearance of security kept it from happening. Anyone on the inside, like the alleged gunman in this case, knew he could easily pull off such a massacre.

The military rightly protects stealth bombers and intelligence assets so a successful attack at such a post is highly unlikely. They keep the number of personnel at such facilities lower so tighter security measures can be used without disrupting day to day life. Admitting that publicly at this point isn't giving terrorists a helpful tip – the massacre at Fort Hood gave them a great road map for similar attacks in the future.

What most people don't realize is the huge difference in how individual posts handle security and access to the post itself. To be fair, in most cases it isn't a failing of the administration but instead simple logistics that create an opening for an attack similar to what happened at Fort Hood. The huge number of soldiers and civilians that work on post make it impossible to check every ID and every car.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; fthood; nidalmalikhasan; soldiers
If we trust soldiers to defend themselves overseas, we should trust them at home.
1 posted on 11/12/2009 7:59:41 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Absolutely


2 posted on 11/12/2009 8:01:34 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: marktwain

IDF girl on leave --they walk around town like this....

3 posted on 11/12/2009 8:08:05 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Jet Jaguar

Arming thousands of 18 year olds on post is not a good idea.

We need to get rid of the Mohammedans. The thread is obvious.

We had a Muzzie officer frag other officers here at Ft. Campbell a while back. We can expect them to kill more of us if we continue to help them do it.


4 posted on 11/12/2009 8:20:44 PM PST by Amadeo
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To: Jet Jaguar

Arming thousands of 18 year olds on post is not a good idea.

We need to get rid of the Mohammedans. The threat is obvious.

We had a Muzzie officer frag other officers here at Ft. Campbell a while back. We can expect them to kill more of us if we continue to help them do it.


5 posted on 11/12/2009 8:21:35 PM PST by Amadeo
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To: marktwain

the biggest problem with this concept is the extra training anyone (military and civilian) needs to handle firearms in the reflexive manner needed to quickly stop a lone wolf killer like Hassan without causing a s#itstorm of chaos. 90%+ of the military doesn’t have it right now because 90%+ of the military don’t work in the jobs where you are expected to shoot people for a living. Just throwing guns at the problem without a full close-quarters marksmanship program would be a disaster. I’m not implying Soldiers can’t or shouldn’t get that training, its just that it isn’t happening right now.


6 posted on 11/12/2009 8:25:36 PM PST by jz638
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To: marktwain

Bit of a problem is that soldiers abandon their barracks for days at a time, which are then pretty wide open to barracks thievery. Company duty safes aren’t large enough for storage, so that means the BN arms room. And finding an arms room NCO when you want them is only slightly easier than finding Jimmy Hoffa.

Add to that as anyone who has ever worked safety on an arms range knows, you have to be eagle eyed, because guaranteed somebody will mess up. It’s almost never intentional, but being shot accidentally is just as bad as being shot intentionally.

I can personally assert that every individual in the US military that live in a barracks has a personal weapon in their bedside table. Just usually not a gun. So it’s not like they are defenseless.


7 posted on 11/12/2009 8:26:26 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: jz638

your right.

negligent discharges happen all the time in war zones bases. some people forget they have a weapon that kills...and actually do sometimes.

this guy had others issues way before worrying about him bringing guns on base.

did they say what he was wearing during the attack?


8 posted on 11/12/2009 8:37:39 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: marktwain

And after they are honorably discharged they should be issued a CHL free of charge.


9 posted on 11/12/2009 8:39:27 PM PST by 353FMG (Save the Planet -- Eliminate Socialism)
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To: Amadeo

>>We need to get rid of the Mohammedans.<<

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You’re a winner.


10 posted on 11/12/2009 8:41:10 PM PST by 353FMG (Save the Planet -- Eliminate Socialism)
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To: Amadeo

They’re adults. They can carry in the free states. We put M4s (and C4) in their hands.

It’s very simple—if they want to carry on base, they should be able to. If you really can’t trust someone to carry, you should discharge him.


11 posted on 11/12/2009 8:55:35 PM PST by BobbyT
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To: Amadeo

Hadn’t heard. Did that incident at Campbell get national coverage?


12 posted on 11/12/2009 10:16:13 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Speak the truth, right the wrong, and follow the King.)
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To: marktwain

“The huge number of soldiers and civilians that work on post make it impossible to check every ID and every car.”

I work on an AF base that checks every ID and every car.

However, someone like Hasan would have been allowed on this base with no search of his vehicle because he had the right credentials. Clearly there is no easy answer to the problem of the individual who might have been sane and rational when he entered the military, but who has since been corrupted by an ideology OR who successfully concealed his psychopathic personality since before he attained the rank of major in the U.S. Army OR whose brain-chemistry has been compromised.

It’s a great challenge to identify the nuts and outside forces who beg to differ with them.


13 posted on 11/12/2009 10:32:33 PM PST by edweena
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To: ArmyTeach

We never had any muslin sheet problems here in the mountains until I noticed lately that they were being worn


14 posted on 11/12/2009 10:33:34 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (God bless)
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To: jz638
Extra training is good, but not essential. It is the mindset that is more important. It would be possible to require that soldiers take another course in defensive shooting before they are allowed to carry, but look at the Israelis. They carry all of the time, and they have stopped a number of Jihadis. I have not heard of the chaos that you refer to in any of the Israeli defensive incidents.

Perhaps they receive better training than U.S. soldiers.

15 posted on 11/13/2009 4:23:00 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Amadeo
Back in the day they used to have signs at the gates of Air Force bases that read: “You are entering the most dangerous place in the world – a public highway, fasten your seat-belt”

Motor vehicles can also be deadly weapons – should we stop 18 year olds from driving as well?

It really should be a national scandal that we don't let the people who protect the nation protect themselves.

16 posted on 11/13/2009 6:46:46 AM PST by Voice of Reason88 (Every Commie must grasp the truth that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun MaoTse-dung)
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