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PICTURE GORGE SHOUTS SUDDEN CATACLYSM: But believing is seeing
Creation Magazine ^
| Steve Wolfe
Posted on 11/10/2009 8:45:14 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor
Maybe you need a picture?
See that river that cut a water gap in that uplifted ripple of land? Fairy tales of vegetarian T rex indeed...
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:06:39 AM PST
by
ElectricStrawberry
(Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
To: ElectricStrawberry
Or how about these?
See the rivers that cut through the uplifting ripples of land?
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:07:53 AM PST
by
ElectricStrawberry
(Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
To: ElectricStrawberry
Or how about this river that cut through uplifting ripples of land?
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:09:16 AM PST
by
ElectricStrawberry
(Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
To: ElectricStrawberry
Or these?
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:10:06 AM PST
by
ElectricStrawberry
(Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
To: ElectricStrawberry
I know that you’re not intelligent enough to realize that your first two sentences acknowledge my point! (amazing)
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:15:48 AM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
To: ElectricStrawberry
Obviously you need a brain!
Your picture proves my position, not yours.
An uplift would have realigned the river since erosion in the hard uplifted material would have been slower, thus forcing the river to the sides.
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:23:49 AM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
To: editor-surveyor
What else do we expect from someone who believes the sun goes around the earth (geocentrism)?
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:40:43 AM PST
by
Wacka
To: editor-surveyor
Ignorantly wrong again. An extremely slow uplift, you know....over a few million years....would allow the river to erode a water gap in the uplift. Problem with your brain is that you cannot accept anything that takes millions of years...or hundreds of thousands.....does.....not....compute (shut down).
To think uplifts like those happen so quickly so as to divert the river without eroding the ukplift is purely ignorant of the erosive power of water.
In need of a brain indeed...mayhaps you should educate yourself on water gaps and simple water erosion.
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:48:55 AM PST
by
ElectricStrawberry
(Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
To: GodGunsGuts
A smaller example of this is near where I live. The Alameda Creek flow through a 500-700 foot tall narrow canyon. The Drains an area of about 300-500 ft elevation, flows through Niles Canyon (where Charlie Chaplin walks at the end of The Tramp) and into Fremont, CA which is almost at sea level.The creek did not rise up over the hills. What happened is that the Niles Canyon is located between the Hayward and Calavaras faults and that area is being squeezed and uplifted (there are numerous micro-quakes on both faults every week). The area where the canyon is was originally flat and the creek flowed through it. As the land rose, the creek has cut down through the rock to maintain its level.
All the other routes out of the valley I live in have been cut by man in the last 150 years.
Very easy, no biblical flood needed to explain it.
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:49:26 AM PST
by
Wacka
To: GodGunsGuts
According to the standard uniformitarian interpretation, the basaltic lava flowed over this area about 16 million years ago. After that, the river slowly cut down through these lava flows over millions of years to form the gorge. But how could a river flow through a long range of hills? You would expect water to flow around.This is a purely ignorant statement. AFTER the lava flowed in a flat sheet, the river existed. As the lava flows uplifted by being compressed horizontally...forming a ridge in the same manner as the same kind of ridges form all over the globe, the river cut through the lava as it happened using the simple erosive power of moving water. ONLY if the uplift happened rapidly would the river "flow around" or be diverted elsewhere rather than cut through. Seems these water gaps would prove an old earth.....as a quick catastrophic event WOULD HAVE diverted the river.
I'd LOVE to hear the YEC explanation of how water gaps are formed.....
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:54:25 AM PST
by
ElectricStrawberry
(Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
To: editor-surveyor
Take the Mississippi River or any river flowing on a plain....right now.....and uplift, perpendicular to it, a basalt ridge at a slow rate, the river will slice through it without even blinking an inch to the side.....like pushing a 2X4 at a table saw blade at the rate of 1 picometer per year.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:03:14 PM PST
by
ElectricStrawberry
(Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
To: dirtboy
But I suggest that the area looks from the air more like the results of one piece of plate pressing into another, i.e., the long sw to nw ridges.
That, if true, would predate the formation of the lakes as a source of water.
Still a great many questions remain. How fast water can erode the stone, how long water has flowed through this particular gorge and a constnat source of water.
I wouldn’t preclude anything just yet.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:10:18 PM PST
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: ElectricStrawberry
No thanks, not into fantasy.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:11:32 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
To: count-your-change
That, if true, would predate the formation of the lakes as a source of water.You don't need a lake as a source of water - 10 inches of rain a year is enough. If you want to see some interesting topo maps, google 'Steens Mountain' under google maps, change to terrain, and then check out some of the valleys on that fault block mountain.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:14:26 PM PST
by
dirtboy
To: GodGunsGuts
Its a non-issue for me....we have the devil in our face today in the here and now....
I’ll find out all about the earth and creation when I see Jesus.
Lets get our priorities straight folks....we are at the door way to the great tribulation and many are going to fall away.
Are You learning to “STAND”?
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:19:00 PM PST
by
Halgr
(Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
To: GodGunsGuts
Its a non-issue for me....we have the devil in our face today in the here and now....
I’ll find out all about the earth and creation when I see Jesus.
Lets get our priorities straight folks....we are at the door way to the great tribulation and many are going to fall away.
Are You learning to “STAND”?
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:20:20 PM PST
by
Halgr
(Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
To: editor-surveyor; ElectricStrawberry
An uplift would have realigned the river since erosion in the hard uplifted material would have been slower, thus forcing the river to the sides. Re-phrasing what ElectricStrawberry has been saying, we are talking about uplifts that are happening at the rate of millimeters per year. A river would erode its way though such an uplift faster than the uplift would occur.
You are purposefully not allowing for the rate, because an uplift rate in the range of meters-per-millenia would not be consistent with "Young Earth"
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posted on
11/10/2009 1:01:21 PM PST
by
PapaBear3625
(Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
To: PapaBear3625
The assumptions are not supported by current rates of known uplifts. Its all fantasy.
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posted on
11/10/2009 1:08:23 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
To: count-your-change
"
I wouldnt preclude anything just yet." They've already side-stepped the fact that basalt is some of the densest material on Earth. It would definitely be eroding much slower than the surrounding material.
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posted on
11/10/2009 1:13:03 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
To: editor-surveyor
The assumptions are not supported by current rates of known uplifts. Its all fantasy. Which known uplifts are you referring to? Name a few, please?
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posted on
11/10/2009 1:13:11 PM PST
by
PapaBear3625
(Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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