What did the Kenyan know and when did he know it?
Posted on 11/09/2009 4:15:57 AM PST by Saije
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.
It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.
One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.
CIA director Leon Panetta and the Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, have been asked by Congress "to preserve" all documents and intelligence files that relate to Hasan, according to the lawmaker.
On Sunday, Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.
"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox News Sunday.
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Yeah, no terrorism here. You need to involve architecture for that, a building, or at least a plane. This guy could have shot 3000 people and they’d still be calling him a whackjob, as long as he didn’t leave a cloud.
What a fiasco! We have to keep someone in the military who is out to kill us because if we kick him out, we may be sued for discrimination. The blood of those killed is on the ones who made that decision as much as on the shooter. You can’t expect to invite a wolf into your house, keep it there, and not get hurt.
This guy was a member of the same mosque as two of the 9/11 hijackers.
No doubt the FBI/CIA/HD/VA state police/DEA/ and a vast host of other federal and state investigators will be cruising through this very neighborhood over the next few weeks doing "one more interview" ~ will be interesting.
“What a fiasco!”
It looks like the Obama people are getting ready to hang each other out to dry on this one.
Not nearly strong enough... how about "a poor Army doctor who snapped under the stress of 8 years of an endless war against all Muslims started by the Constitution-shredding Bush and the tea bagger neocons? Remember, it's not a lie if you believe it. ;-)
BTTT.
My favorite ‘diagnosis’ is pre-post traumatic stress disorder.
Obviously someone screwed up, he found out, his handlers then sent him out to kill people.
But, hey, lets not jump to conclusions. After all, who are we to judge until all the facts are in? Of course, when are all the facts ever “in”? Honestly, the sh!t needs to hit the fan here, big time. We are starting to forget what we learned from 9/11.
Don’t jump to any conclusions. Though.
“If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance,” Lieberman told Fox News Sunday.
There has to be zero tolerance for politically correct careerists in the U.S. Military. This is akin to sending your troops into a combat zone without proper intelligence as to the probable location of enemy combatants. Heads need to roll in Fort Hood and perhaps much further up the chain of command.
Look at the angle these articles are taking. 1. Hasan is the victim. Or, 2. If he isn’t the victim, he still shouldn’t be blamed for his terrorist acts—the military should be blamed.
So the CIA knew but didn’t brief the Army? Unbelievable. Well they can’t blame it on Bush’s CIA, not with Leon Panetta running the show, it’s now Obama’s CIA.
Howmany of us have worked wih people who were hired under affirmative action and watched as these people could not perform their jobs and knew it was not only hard to get rid of them ,but dangerous to our own jobs to try/
There is litle difference here. He was left alone because it endengered their own position to try to get rid of him.This is the problem with politically correctness. The fear of retaliation when trying fire or remove one of the chosen class.
This makes Hasan’s involvement in that Obama transition thing even more interesting. And raises another question: If Hasan was an Islamist terrorist-in-waiting, was the Fort Hood shooting his goal all along, or had he been doing something else and chose to end with this atrocity for another reason?
I have a theory about the Muslim jihadists we've been fighting for the past 30 years....I think they do it because they have no luck with women.
Take a look at their founder Qutb.
He was a complete loser with the female persuasion. He formed his fanatical Mohammedism while a student in the U.S. in the late 1940's. If he had looked like Omar Sharif, he'd have had better luck with the babes, and maybe we wouldn't have fanatical Islam at our throats.
The Muslims we have trouble with are NOT the Camel-riding, tent-sleeping, goat-herding peasants. Those Muslims just want to get through the day and maybe try to follow the Five Pillars of Islam.
No, the Muzzies that cause the most trouble are the ones who've been thoroughly westernized, have seen our movies, listened to our music, ate our food, and maybe even know our slang. These Muslims are unhappy because they have a God-shaped hole in their hearts, and so they try to fill it with what they think is "Spirituality", by following Marduk the Moon God, and the teachings of their pedophile prophet. Most of these Muslims aren't very good looking, strike out with women, and probably smell. Because of their lack of God, and their inability to find a decent-looking woman, most turn to Radical Islam to get back at the rest of us who have girlfriends/wives.
It's understandable how lust-filled they get when they see a woman who's not in a burlap burkha. It triggers unfulfilled desires that would drive a man into a homicidal rage. The only solution is to convert Muslims to Christianity, so they can get a healthy view of women and maybe they can find one to settle down with and live their lives in peace.
This is getting out of hand. Talk about the elephant in the living room. We have a military that harbors the enemy for fear of being called names.
The attitude shown is endangering the security of the country. Off the record interviews have also shown there WERE other officers who saw the signs- but didn’t report them for fear of being called on the carpet.
“We have a military that harbors the enemy for fear of being called names.”
Except they might have been able to do something about it if the intelligence agencies had told the Army Hasan was trying to hook up with Al Qaeda. If they knew and if they didn’t report it. Which they might not have because as of January 20 we’re not fighting the War on Terror anymore.
Only found on one posting but linked here.
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Will they confirm his body was shaved and perfumed?
Sometimes profanity is just too weak.
I am simply limp with shock about this.
“How do you know the time frame wasn’t when Bush was president”
Huh? Bush hasn’t been President since January 20 and is hardly in a position to do something about it sitting at home in Dallas. The Obama people have had plenty of time since taking over to “connect the dots” and take appropriate action. And after all that’s what we were promised, that the Obama administration would be wiser and smarter and do everything better than Bush.
6 Months ago who was President?
How much information did he pass along from distressed servicemen and women? He had access to the transition team information. What was his security clearance level?
We were all creeped out by 0bama’s approach to the press conference. I mean it has been all the talk the past few days...how odd, how weird, how quirky. We know they masquerade as bumbling idiots, but if we haven't learned anything in the past 10 months, the administration is not anything it appears to be.
If Hitler had been as clever as Mohammed, he would have proclaimed Nazism to be a new religion.
Then PC-uber-alles dolts would demand that Nazi SS “priests” should be allowed to join the US Army, even as they preached the slaughter of non-Nazis.
And when these Nazi SS “priests” massacred Americans, these PC dolts would worry more about a potential backlash against “moderate Nazis” than the safety of Americans.
PC Kills.
They put a 6 months time period to “watching him”. Obama is connected to Hasan via the transition team bit. Waiting for a picture of Obama and Hasan to surface.
They put a 6 months time period to “watching him”. Obama is connected to Hasan via the transition team bit. Waiting for a picture of Obama and Hasan to surface.
Political correctness is the adult version of peer pressure, with the teeth of the law backing it up. It is also responsible for the death of common sense.
Apparently Hasan was influenced by the teachings of this Imam Awlaki at the Falls Church Mosque. The guy preached hatred against Americans and Christians’ .
It’s a good thing that Barry O wasn’t influenced by the anti-American and racist teachings and rants of Reverend Wright, who he worshipped with for over 20 years. Just think what that would lead to if you put a lunatic in the White House with access to the largest amount of Nuclear armaments on earth. OK…. Stop thinking about that.
You owe it to the victims of the Ft. Hood terrorist attack!!
Time to allow common sense to replace political correctness!
Some context: this apparently all took place at a time when the CIA is under attack from the Obama administration and Eric Holder. It would not be a surprise if the agency was operating in extreme prudence mode. It looks very much as if someone dropped the (large and dangerous) ball, but it remain to be seen who.
***As long as he had no idea they were watching him to see who he was meeting, where he was going, and so forth, he became an intelligence “asset”.***
Great observation! It would be useful to know for how long he had been *monitored* and when he was *dropped* from the radar. Perhaps Jan, 2009???????
Methinks, just as a rat I smell, that somebody perhaps knows him from the D.C. area, and either the two mosques in Maryland and Virginia, or through the HSPI think-tank at George Washington University which also no doubt had Islamist in policy positions involved. I also do not trust the current US Government/Administration at senior levels, nor high officialdom in the Pentagon, to let much of this out if it does show up, therefore the burden is on many of us to uncover what we can from open sources and post here to FR and elsewhere.
There is BS spin I smell, and I think Lieberman and his staff also have been getting stuff backchanneled to them by whistleblowers who know this Hasan's true story, but are afraid of their government or military positions due to political correctness the had to go along with. Just my take.
This is going to get a lot more interesting, as it shifts way from the PTSD and Discriminated Minority cop-out the official MSM is feeding us and thinking we are foolish enough to buy.
American military personnel are dead, or wounded within the borders of our Nation.
Our Federal Government is one BIG screwup after another, and the Federal Government demands to screwup even more.
Take away the Leftist’s unconstitutional accumulation of power within the Federal Government. Return the Federal Government to the extent of authority outlined by the Constitution, and throw everything else at the States to dispose of at their will.
A smaller Fed should be a more efficient Fed, and the military personnel the Fed is responsible for should not die due incompetence of Political orgy.
I was talking with a friend of mine who is fairly high rank in the Army. He said that getting rid of an officer is actually quite difficult and there must be serious evidence.
I think the evidence was being built but was still circumstantial in this guy’s case
"I'm not gonna be able to take it! I'm not gonna be able to take it any more!!"
The tort bar is also a root cause of the health care debacle. Once they established a ''right'' to health care, free riders overloaded the system.
Army Chief Concerned for Muslim Troops
...NYT headline.
he was after all not a bad guy .. he was an adviser on obama’s transition team ...
We need names of the people who ignored this. People need to lose their careers and pensions over this.
Apparently Army Chief of Staff Casey is concerned that non-muslim troops might harm his pet muzzies.
Not the Omar Sharif of late...
Nothing to see here as the elites have already determined (actually, their minds were already made up seconds after the murders happened)that his actions had nothing to do with terrorism or his religious beliefs.
This is going to get ugly, quick.
Individuals are going to start throwing each other under the bus before the scapegoat is picked out from among the Army brass and “intelligence” agencies.
This is going to be an historic investigation that exposes just how warped our institutions have become by political correctness, and how utterly preventable this slaughter was.
Thirteen needlessly extinguished lives.
Nothing to see here as the elites have already determined (actually, their minds were already made up seconds after the murders happened)that his actions had nothing to do with terrorism or his religious beliefs.
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