Posted on 11/06/2009 8:11:20 AM PST by kellynla
Muhammad Atta said: "Shout, 'Allahu Akbar,' because this strikes fear in the hearts of the non-believers."
(Excerpt) Read more at jihadwatch.org ...
strikes fear? It just ticks me off.....
This is very serious. You won’t hear about this in the media, because the media and their allies on the left desperately want to suppress the fact that their policies have welcomed thousands of fanatical jihadis into the country, and allowed them to breed and multiply.
This is terrorism, committed on US soil. It is no longer possible to try to make out that this isn’t happening.
Mass deportations.
Just heard from a Doctor on FNC — several of the wounded had multiple wounds, as many as three...
Makes ya re-think the reported “45-50 shots fired” — he must have reloaded a couple of times.....
Hmmm....as a conceal carry license holder, the key factor to the use of deadly force is if a "reasonable man" would fear for their life. I guess I now have a reference that should anyone jump up and yell "Allahu Akbar" deadly force may indeed be appropriate from the perspective of a reasonable man.
In American it means return fire. Funny how these Muslims think it is brave to attack where people are unarmed. I almost wish one of these idiots would try it at a gun show.
Some local news reporter here in Los Angeles on KFWB 980AM just mentioned that the shooter yelled “allah akbar”, and in the next sentence said the authorities “still don’t know why the shooting happened”.
Are these reporters THAT stupid?
“Allah Akbar” Code words for murdering innocents in Iraq, Afghanistan, other places and here.
Cowardly bastard, nothing but scum.
Let’s take an inventory:
-A recent convert to Islam
-Regularly wore traditional Arab clothing to his assignment at Fort Hood
-praised homicide bombers, and expressed the wish that they would attack innocent people in Times Square
-Shouted “Allahu Akbar” before murdering 13 people
-Claimed persecution despite his provocations and eagerness to test the tolerance of his colleagues
I’m sure that the above items are irrelavant, and that he killed 13 people because of a bad performance review, and nothing else. </s>
I’m still trying to wrap my mind around this - how a man even with two sidearms could shoot this many people- many of them being combat soldiers- without being rushed and taken down.
We’ll hear more eyewitness accounts within a few days so eventually it may make sense.
As far as conspiracies go- don’t count on a bunch of grunts being willing to sign on to something like that. If there WERE two shooters it will come out.
Regardless- the CO of the medical unit has a lot to answer for..
Allah Akbar = “Return Fire” in English...
Love it!
YES!
It sets off a Pavlovian response in me to reach for a firearm and start shooting.
apologies to county singer Billy Currington, but God is great, beer is good, and many Muslims are crazy?
He was a lifelong muslim. That has been reported from several sources. His parents were muslim also.
Unless it is proved our soldiers were wounded or killed by friendly fire, I’m not buying that this peacenik who didn’t even like to go to the firing range to qualify for handgun use was capable of pulling this off. Simple math is required here folks. Unless he used a 25 shot clip (which I think could be cumbersome) he was either Dead-eye Dick or he reloaded or had help.
Semper Fi,
Kelly
“Allah Akbar = ‘Return Fire’ in English...”.
THAT SHOULD BE A BUMPER STICKER.
It strikes fear in the hearts of non-believers because the person shouting it seems to be trying to kill everyone within ear-shot.
” Simple math is required here folks. Unless he used a 25 shot clip (which I think could be cumbersome) he was either Dead-eye Dick or he reloaded or had help. “
Simple math - 13+30 = 43 victims @1 wound each (assuming zero misses) = 43 shots...
The numbers haven’t been given, as far as I know, but the report said ‘many’ had multiple wounds, so, for the sake of argument, add 20 additional rounds that hit, which brings the total to 63 rounds....
Then, given that even the most dead-eye marksman will miss with probably 20% of his shots (moving targets in a high-adrenaline situation), that brings the total to 80 shots fired...
Again, no info that I’ve seen on the weapon types, but 13-round magazines is a pretty safe assumption, which makes 26 rounds in battery...
80/26 = 3+ load cycles, or 6 reloads....
And you say this guy had next-to-zero weapons training?? Hmmmmmm.....
Only info I’ve “heard” comes from Lt. Gen. Cone — they were not military issue weapons and consisted of “two hand guns”. I asked my husband about the number of rounds a semi-automatic would hold and what a “glock” would hold. I forget his answer, but he said not enough to inflict multiple wounds and come up with 43 dead and wounded. I dunno’ but either the first responder hit more than the shooter four times or he reloaded OR he had help.
I haven't heard the make of pistols, either, but it may be a safe bet to assume he had a Beretta 92, the civilian version of the US Army service pistol. It holds 15 in the mag plus one in the chamber, for 32 rounds in both guns. One reload for each gun gets him up to 62 rounds, another gets to 92 rounds...
I’m smelling skunk here — just like I did on the Duke case.
Assuming she wasn’t standing just outside the door, he had a few minutes on his own.
With all due respect to your husband but you can purchase 33 round magazines for 9mm...http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=GLMF17133&src=tpCtg
14 minutes?!
Reloads take about a couple of seconds, tops.
” Reloads take about a couple of seconds, tops. “
For someone with no combat training, minimal weapons training, in a high-stress situation??
He had a room full of unarmed people.
He stood up on a table and fired at everyone in the room.
It was like the proverbial “shooting ducks in a barrel”...
Dropping the mag and stuffing in a new one?
How long do you think it takes?
Maybe if he lacked his thumbes it may have taken 10 seconds at the most.
The point is that 14 minutes, if accurate, is WAY more than enough time to reload every mag he could have carried on his body.
“He had a room full of unarmed people.
He stood up on a table and fired at everyone in the room.
It was like the proverbial “shooting ducks in a barrel”...”
and there is that.
“Maybe if he lacked his thumbes it may have taken 10 seconds at the most.”
Okay, smarty, I’ll defer to your superior experience. ;-) Made me laugh.
My wife could have done what he is said to have done, in the time allotted, and she is only a casual shooter.
Sorry - I didn’t mean to give the impression that I’m doubting, or implying, anything....
There are aspects to this that are not making sense to me, which will probably be resolved as the reporting becomes more complete.....
I’m starting to wonder if there isn’t some illicit weapons training in this guy’s background (homegrown jihadi training camp?) that could explain things....
;o)
Seriously, though, I was surprised to hear it was 14 minutes. That's a long time.
Damn... just as I was posting this, CNN.com took it off their home page! Unbelievable, yet not surprising.
Here's another link to the video (I hope this one lasts - someone save it to your hard drive!):
Fort Hood suspect Nidal Malik Hasan seemed 'cool, calm, religious'
Thanks. I Bookmarked it.
I’ll check it out later.
That’s start to finish - 14 minutes. He didn’t have an entire 14 minutes of quality time with his handguns. He was interrupted by four rounds to various points of his body sometime during that 14 minutes.
I would assume that his being shot occurred at the end of those 14 minutes. Given that she was the first responder, and I an not aware of any other person who fired at him, what other interruption would he have had?
I’m wondering, if the room was crowded, how many rounds might have passed through one victim and hit another.
“Allah Akbar” Code words for murdering innocents in Iraq, Afghanistan, other places and here.”
And Hussein, The POS POTUS, said “don’t jump to conclussions”. What a PRICK!
At what point is all of this going to EXPLODE?
The magazines for those hold 20 rounds, with one in the gun. Also, that gun has little recoil and is relatively easy for even a novice shooter to shoot fast. If he had 2 of them, that's 42 rounds without reloading.
The round that gun fires is somewhat controversial with regard to terminal effectiveness, I bet many professionals will be reassessing their opinion of it. Even the non-AP version of that round available to civilians will penetrate 42 layers of Kevlar, so I'm wondering if any of the rounds exited any of the victims, which could have led to wounds in others, especially if they were crowded together, trying to get away, through doorways, etc.
With the 5.7x28, the caliber reportedly used, that is a possibility.
You must not have moch experience with pistols. If I had five magazines it would probably take about three minutes to fire 75 times with time to spare.
I do not dispute the fact that the man in a coma on a ventilator is the perp. I dispute the fact that he was a similarly situated novice (as I would be) and that he suddenly became conflicted by his expectation of deployment or that this was not a completely premeditated act, well planned and initiated (as many are suggesting it is). This man was a “sleeper” whether alone or with help, he was a sleeper.
Okay, I just finished watching/listening to the recording.
This guy was some “piece of work”...well Satan is everywhere.
Sooner or later, we are going to have to give the muzzies the jihad they so desperately want.
Semper Fi,
Kelly
The major was a regular at a shooting range I have a partner with. He used a FN 5.7 x 28 pistol. He was at the range this weekend and was very adept at shooting targets at 100 yards.
So your suspicions were on target. This was not a guy who "snapped."
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