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To: Carry_Okie
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A wise warrior uses the strengths of its enemy against it; and ours are.
 
Thus it is that the focus of the 2nd amendment's purpose has been obscured and misdirected.  The 2nd has become an obsessive end rather than a means to an end;  the proper end of the 2nd being securing of the 1st amendment. 
 
The 2nd amendment is a failsafe,  intended to be utilized only when free discourse is completely exhausted - or prohibited via tyranny.
 
Homer Simpson's  lack of will or lack of ability to discourse does not equal tyrannical prohibition - yet.    There is no mandate to consume Bread and Circuses.  None is needed when Homer does it so willingly.   Homer having unwittingly become a slave to the tyranny of his own, manufactured, appetites.
"COMMERCE BETWEEN THE MASTER AND SLAVE IS DESPOTISM"
--Thomas Jefferson
 
But what about that "2nd amendment obsession"?  
 
Well, observe that Timothy McVeigh and his Michigan Militia band of loony toons did nothing but prop up the facade of justification for further weakening our rights.
 
Come listen in outside the Federal Farm House:
"Hah! See comrades, they're too stupid to really govern themselves after all, just as we planned!  We'll just continue to build the wall around the farm-house/temple a little higher...  and make them glad we let them carry the bricks!  {laughter}
 
Now, let's have some more milk and apples..."
 
Gandhi was able to free India even without a 2nd amendment.  How?  By making salt.
 
Unlike some, he wasn't interested in scurrying off into the hills and becoming a tribal war-lord, and in so doing further prop up justification for the police-state {with its predicatable response}.

46 posted on 10/27/2009 9:03:26 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill
Unlike some, he wasn't interested in scurrying off into the hills and becoming a tribal war-lord, and in so doing further prop up justification for the police-state {with its predicatable response}.

I think you need both. Some folks aren't quite so tame as the British.

48 posted on 10/27/2009 9:10:55 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: LomanBill; Carry_Okie; fporretto
"Hah! See comrades, they're too stupid to really govern themselves after all, just as we planned! We'll just continue to build the wall around the farm-house/temple a little higher... and make them glad we let them carry the bricks! {laughter}
Your Animal Farm rendition is also reflected by this blogpost that appeared a couple of hours ago.

Here's the pertinent two paragraphs (and I've added emphasis to what matches your comment):

A distant harbinger should make it inescapably clear what our lot would be: the upcoming Copenhagen conference on climate change, which, until recently, Barack Hussein Obama planned to attend [link in original]. That conference is being convened to ponder a 181-page treaty that would erect a supra-national government with the power to tax, to redistribute national incomes, and to impose regulations with the force of law on individuals and businesses anywhere on Earth. Britain's leading spokesman against "climate change" lunacy, Lord Christopher Monckton, has been much in the news for publicizing the details of this treaty [link in original], under which the signatories would essentially yield their claims to national sovereignty, and the super-state would acquire worldwide control of all economic activity.

Saddam Hussein, Ferdinand Marcos, and Anastasio Somoza used the control of a nation's economy to make themselves very rich. Recall what their subjects suffered under their hands. Imagine what the control of the world economy would bring its rulers...and what the rest of us would suffer as the price of their haciendas and the guards around them. (extracted last paragraphs from Hacienda On The Hill: A Post-American Future)


56 posted on 10/27/2009 9:46:40 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus "CONSERVATIVE": a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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