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Dem leaders 'leaning strongly' toward opt-out for public healthcare plan
The Hill ^ | October 25, 2009 | Jordan Fabian and Roxana Tiron

Posted on 10/26/2009 5:19:43 AM PDT by CutePuppy

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This is the real admission of defeat by Democrats, that they are having trouble selling any of their plans to the public, particularly their "public option". So they are having to revert to gimmicks like opt-ins, opt-outs or "triggers".

First off, any plan with states' opt-out options cannot be called "national" or "universal" and can't possibly be scored by CBO or any economic or statistical entity for costs. And none of these plans even try any longer to claim that it will "save" money, the question is now only "how much it will cost us?"

Second, if states can opt in or opt out of national plan, why is there even a need for "national" plan to begin with? It simply shows that states (or cities, or even "communities") can do their own tailored plan for their denizens, if they want to, without the need for "one size fits all" pseudo-national program.

So why the gimmicks? Because if the program is "national" / "federal" then federal government will be able to use the money from states that "opted out" (most likely, the "red states") to finance the states that chose to "opt in" (most certainly, the "deep blue states") thus rendering opt-out meaningless at best, and fiscally damaging to the opt-out states, at worst, since they would derive no financial benefit from opting out.

Since this gimmick is so blatantly transparent, Republicans could easily explain it to not only the constituents in their own states, but also threaten to cut off transfer of funds from opt-out states once they take back Congress - which should put the fear into the hearts of the potential opt-in states' beneficiaries - if they won't be able to get a free ride on the backs of other states, these states would go bankrupt financing health care run and managed by the federal government.

GOP has the opportunity of a lifetime to drive the stake through the heart of these (and any future) "universal" healthcare or "insurance" bills, simply by exposing and mocking these scams and gimmicks to the "great unwashed" who might think it's something different.

Will Republican blow this natural opportunity for easy public relations coup, while Democrats keep digging?

1 posted on 10/26/2009 5:19:43 AM PDT by CutePuppy
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It’s time to burn up the phone lines and the fax machines and the email inboxes of your elected officials in Washington, and at home. This legislative tripe will spell the demise of the highest quality healthcare system in the world and bring us one giant step closer to the socialist ‘utopia’ envisioned by the anointed one and his 0bamunist minions.

It’s time to take back the country.


2 posted on 10/26/2009 5:23:17 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: CutePuppy

You won’t be able to opt out of paying for it though


3 posted on 10/26/2009 5:24:23 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: CutePuppy

Bad news. Another second approach would be to contact those liberals you see on MSNBC Schulz, Maddow, Olbermann and tell them Pelosi and Obama are about to sell them out with this opt out.

The liberals in the house have kept Pelosi from moving forward, they want the full public option.


4 posted on 10/26/2009 5:27:26 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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Are they going to let us opt out of the higher taxes?


5 posted on 10/26/2009 5:28:27 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: CutePuppy

What these liberals are up to is this. Get the health care package passed at any cost, then gradually put the insurance companies out of business over the next 5 - 10 years.


6 posted on 10/26/2009 5:28:59 AM PDT by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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So 57 states can opt out...

Naw....We know how this works....you want some money...you gonna luv the plan...

7 posted on 10/26/2009 5:30:30 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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The “opt out” will be “disincentivized” HEAVILY - guaranteed.

If they aren’t able to get an eventual, inevitable single payer system with this bill, there’s no reason to pass it.

Control is the goal.


8 posted on 10/26/2009 5:32:03 AM PDT by MrB (The only difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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I think the liberals know that a true ‘national’ plan cannot pass constitutional muster, so they are using gimmicks like opt-in, etc.

The ‘trigger’ option is only there to get votes. Single-payer advocates can vote for it knowing the trigger will be pulled in the future and market-based proponents can vote for it because that is what it will look like initially until the trigger is pulled.


9 posted on 10/26/2009 5:41:46 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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"But two key moderate senators indicated ... Centrist Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) voted ..."

In exactly what country is McCaskill a centrist? Does she get to define herself? There is no way she could be considered non-partisan.

The brainwashing is grating on me.
10 posted on 10/26/2009 5:45:43 AM PDT by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: CutePuppy

The only Opt-Out I’m interested in seeing is where State Legislatures pass a state level law rejecting the implementation of any federal mandates/programs/taxes on anything related to healthcare.


11 posted on 10/26/2009 5:47:08 AM PDT by Safrguns
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Electronic records via the stimulus plan was the beginning...No REAL reason for everyone to be electronic...


12 posted on 10/26/2009 6:01:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Most likely an admission that this is unconstitutional. They will price it so low at first that no one will opt out.


13 posted on 10/26/2009 6:03:13 AM PDT by DManA
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To: sickoflibs

Especially Ed Schultz.


14 posted on 10/26/2009 6:08:54 AM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: DManA
Medicare Part B was $3 per month when it started. It's now $96.

AND MY SUPPLEMENT IS GOING UP 58% AS OF JAN 1ST....BECAUSE OF THE FED GOV PAYMENT SHAFT JOB. The notice was VERY specific as to the Fed Gov payment.

15 posted on 10/26/2009 6:15:33 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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You won’t be able to opt out of paying for it though
Are they going to let us opt out of the higher taxes?

That's the real point of "national" health care, the only "universal" option in it will be paying for it with no opportunity to "opt-out". If Republicans can't exploit and explain this to people, they will become Whigs.

16 posted on 10/26/2009 6:26:00 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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17 posted on 10/26/2009 6:40:41 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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They will price it so low at first that no one will opt out.

I don't know how they would even start going about setting the prices - on what cost or actuary bases, for what contingent or contingencies, using Medicare / Medicaid [bankrupt] models or city / county medical centers, etc. etc. etc.

I'd like to see the validation of how CBO came up with their estimates and why several were off by hundreds of millions from each other? methinks, they just pulled some numbers out of the air, based on discounted insurance industry "averages". Which, as experience with Social Security and Medicare has shown, will be off by miles, as well.

18 posted on 10/26/2009 7:07:41 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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Communists don’t believe in money so economic restraints are meaningless to them.


19 posted on 10/26/2009 7:11:48 AM PDT by DManA
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if they pass this with an opt-out there will be an immediate stampede of jobs and residents into states that have opted-out, which will not sit well with the Democrats who are running places like New York, Massachusetts and Michigan


20 posted on 10/26/2009 7:15:48 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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