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Army: Wilderness proposal threatens key training
ASSOCIATED PRESS ^ | October 13, 2009 | DAN ELLIOTT

Posted on 10/14/2009 12:54:21 PM PDT by george76

Proposed wilderness designations for parts of the Colorado mountains could threaten the Army's only high-altitude training site for helicopter pilots, an Army officer said Tuesday.

The proposed "Hidden Gems" wilderness designations would put all of the high-altitude landing zones used by the High-Altitude Army Aviation Training Site off-limits, said Col. Joel Best, senior aviation officer for the Colorado Army National Guard.

"We really can't afford to lose any of that land for the security of this nation," Best said. He spoke at a briefing for Colorado county commissioners and legislators.

The site, known by the acronym HAATS, is the only helicopter training site the U.S. where the terrain and conditions are similar to what pilots encounter in Afghanistan. It is operated by the Colorado Air National Guard and trains both active-duty and guard pilots as well as pilots from other countries.

The White River Wilderness Coalition is advocating for wilderness protection for what it calls the Hidden Gems, a collection of about 450,000 acres, or 700 square miles, in several parts of the Colorado mountains. HAATS uses some of that area.

The training site is about 30 miles west of Vail and 100 miles west of Denver.

About 500 Army pilots will train there this year, Best said. They learn how to deal with the limitations of flying in thin air, which saps helicopters of some of their engine power and affects handling.

(Excerpt) Read more at gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Colorado; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; army; armynationalguard; armypilots; hiddengems; wilderness

1 posted on 10/14/2009 12:54:22 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

ping


2 posted on 10/14/2009 12:55:33 PM PDT by unkus
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To: unkus; BIGLOOK; Grampa Dave; Milhous; jazusamo; csmusaret; veritas; Chgogal; MileHi; XeniaSt; ...

http://www.coloradoguard.army.mil/webpages/haats.htm


3 posted on 10/14/2009 1:03:09 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

The millitary leave less mess than campers.....


4 posted on 10/14/2009 1:05:04 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: george76

Heh. They often fly over a town near here. The locals, who do drugs and watch too much television, tell conspiracy stories about them. When I’ve told them that the pilots are only training for foreign combat, they scoff and go on with the conspiracy yarns.


5 posted on 10/14/2009 1:08:46 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: george76

Typical libtard nonsense. But you just know that there is a judge that will agree.


6 posted on 10/14/2009 1:09:07 PM PDT by mapmaker77
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To: george76

Wilderness: An area of the earth, and its web of life, that is untrammelled by man”. From the orignial Wilderness Act.

However: All of North America was hunted and fire managed by man for the last ten thousand years.

Therefore: The Wilderness Act is more than a tad tardy.

Conclusion: Invoke the Data Quality Act and shut down this latest “wilderness” designation attempt.


7 posted on 10/14/2009 1:15:53 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: george76

The enviro-nazis won’t be happy until every inch of public land is off limits for everything but hiking. We need that high altitude training and hopefully the Army tells them to pound sand and a judge backs them up.


8 posted on 10/14/2009 1:20:07 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: george76
I have seen this so many times before.

The army has old and large training areas. They take care of them. They do not develop them.

And then some enviro-wacko thinks the army (who have kept these places in great shape through all these years) should be kicked off the training areas as they are now “environmentally sensitive.”

9 posted on 10/14/2009 1:29:05 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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That’s the plan. It’s called “re-wilding”.


10 posted on 10/14/2009 1:33:28 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: 2banana

Army National Guard units conduct rescue missions in mountainous areas all over the western United States because they are the most qualified and prepared to do so.


11 posted on 10/14/2009 1:52:08 PM PDT by unkus
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The hippies and brain damaged eviromentalists got an injunction barring a low level, fast approach training exercise by C-17s over on the Kona side, a flight op that would have taken all of 45 minutes. Their reason, it would frighten local wildlife and disrupt the natural order in the area. Exercise canceled but here's the kicker.

The local wild life is comprised of feral goats, sheep and some cattle, coqui frogs.....and the hippies, of course. Twice a year the state and county takes to the air in helicopters to shoot the goats and sheep to thin them or eradicate them from certain areas. They take down the feral cattle too when they can. I through in Coqui frogs jokingly since there are state and county and even neighborhood eradication programs using Citric Acid sprays and the widespread use of hydrated lime to control their populations. These aren't protested or enjoined by the courts....but a 300 kt overflight of the area by a C-17 is kapu.

Eradication programs are tolerated (gunfire from low flying helos) by the loonies and my best guess is that it's because the feral sheep and goats eat their medicinal marijuana patches. A military overflight in mountainous area for training purposes is, well....military...and they might have cameras.
12 posted on 10/14/2009 7:37:25 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Government needs a Keelhauling now and then.)
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To: BIGLOOK

You’ve got it exactly right.


13 posted on 10/14/2009 7:46:33 PM PDT by unkus
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To: george76

Too much of CO is locked up already


14 posted on 10/15/2009 5:37:21 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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