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It's a fork, it's a spoon....it's a weapon
New York Times ^ | 10/12/2009 | IAN URBINA

Posted on 10/12/2009 9:10:49 AM PDT by IbJensen

Zachary Christie with his mother, Debbie, his father, Curtis, and the Cub Scout utensil that got him suspended from school.

NEWARK, Del. — Finding character witnesses when you are 6 years old is not easy. But there was Zachary Christie last week at a school disciplinary committee hearing with his karate instructor.

Zachary’s offense? Taking a camping utensil that can serve as a knife, fork and spoon to school. He was so excited about recently joining the Cub Scouts that he wanted to use it at lunch. School officials concluded that he had violated their zero-tolerance policy on weapons, and Zachary was suspended and now faces 45 days in the district’s reform school.

“It just seems unfair,” Zachary said, pausing as he practiced writing lower-case letters with his mother, who is home-schooling him while the family tries to overturn his punishment.

Spurred in part by the Columbine and Virginia Tech shootings, many school districts around the country adopted zero-tolerance policies on the possession of weapons on school grounds. More recently, there has been growing debate over whether the policies have gone too far.

But, based on the code of conduct for the Christina School District, where Zachary is a first grader, school officials had no choice. They had to suspend him because, “regardless of possessor’s intent,” knives are banned.

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“Zachary wears a suit and tie some days to school by his own choice because he takes school so seriously,” said Debbie Christie, Zachary’s mother, who started a Web site, helpzachary.com, in hopes of recruiting supporters to pressure the local school board at its next open meeting on Tuesday. “He is not some sort of threat to his classmates.”

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School officials concluded that he had violated their zero-tolerance policy on weapons, and Zachary was suspended and now faces 45 days in the district’s reform school.

School 'officials' are dumber than the students. This is patently ridiculous!

1 posted on 10/12/2009 9:10:50 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Zero tolerance means school officials check their brain at the door. I hate these liberal idiots.


2 posted on 10/12/2009 9:13:11 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: IbJensen

Yeah, but they and their pensions are expensive and dumb.

( why was this kind of stuff handled in 20 seconds by Nuns? )


3 posted on 10/12/2009 9:13:43 AM PDT by Leisler (It's going to be a hard, long winter)
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To: IbJensen

Thy’re going to send a Cub Scout to Reform School with little bastards?


4 posted on 10/12/2009 9:14:14 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Always Right

That’s not all they check at the door.


5 posted on 10/12/2009 9:16:10 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: IbJensen

They’re sending a perfectly well-behaved, smart kid to reform school? Where he will learn nothing and be horribly abused by his classmates? Talk about counter-educational...


6 posted on 10/12/2009 9:16:59 AM PDT by Julia H. (Freedom of speech and freedom from criticism are mutually exclusive.)
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To: IbJensen
Marxist public school indroctination centers teach blind subservience to the state and how to rat out your parents.

Children should be private schooled or home schooled.

Public school is child abuse.

7 posted on 10/12/2009 9:17:17 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: IbJensen
Weapons of mass destruction: Assault Sporks

8 posted on 10/12/2009 9:17:56 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: IbJensen

basically it’s a jack knife with attachments a la “swiss army”. the kid shouldn’t have taken it to school.

that sadi, the admin should have behaved with wisdom and told the six year old that these type things are not permitted in school, confiscated it ultil after school, and let the matter drop.

ever notice how the zero-tolerance folks never, ever hassle the real thugs and only seem to harrass the honor students?


9 posted on 10/12/2009 9:18:08 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: SERKIT
Do you prefer the full-length Spork, or the carbine?

Seems like the F105 would be more maneuverable in tight quarters.

(Just my $0.02 worth...)

10 posted on 10/12/2009 9:19:12 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: IbJensen

A question about public schools: What do the kids use to eat lunch? Twigs and sea shells? I hope these people can find a nice parochial school for their child, or figure out a way to keep him at home, because at school is he surrounded by cretins, idiots and barbarians.


11 posted on 10/12/2009 9:19:52 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: TChris
This F105 has many attachments, mostly deadly.

12 posted on 10/12/2009 9:21:15 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: IbJensen
America really has lost perspective.

God help us in our day in Jesus name, amen.

13 posted on 10/12/2009 9:22:01 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: SERKIT
That's one nasty looking Spork!

The white one seemed different, somehow.

14 posted on 10/12/2009 9:22:19 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: IbJensen
“We strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.”
15 posted on 10/12/2009 9:22:59 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: IbJensen

The fault lies with the folks who elected the school board. The board is just following the will of their bosses.


16 posted on 10/12/2009 9:24:46 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar. ---- "OBAMA: THE GREAT MISTAKE OF 2008")
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To: TChris
"Seems like the F105 would be more maneuverable in tight quarters."

Yeah, but I'll take the F105 with the bayonette attachement... the F105B.

17 posted on 10/12/2009 9:24:59 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: La Lydia
I remember when we brought .22 rifles to school for after class target shooting with the Scouts. In high school, I had an old 11-48 in the truck for pheasants Nov-Jan.
What the heck has happened to our schools ?
18 posted on 10/12/2009 9:25:55 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: La Lydia

They’ll be eating in the proper muslim way. Don’t touch the food with the left hand. That hands is used for......


19 posted on 10/12/2009 9:28:38 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: IbJensen
The Boys Scouts is a terrorist organization. Just look at the arsenal they offer...........to kids !!!111!!

http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/default.aspx?cat=01RTL&ctgy=products&C2=CAMPING&C3=KNIVES&C4=&LV=3

20 posted on 10/12/2009 9:30:01 AM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Truth is called hate by those who hate the truth.)
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To: IbJensen

all common sense is lost. The damage being done to this child is immense and for that, the administrators should be held accountable. And just for grins and giggles, a raid on the teachers lounge might be instructive.


21 posted on 10/12/2009 9:33:26 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: Dumpster Baby

Good to see that all their single folders have locking blades. I have a nice scar on middle finger where a BSA non locking folder closed up on me when I was a kid.


22 posted on 10/12/2009 9:34:02 AM PDT by Rebelbase (This is the time of year when ACORNS fall.)
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To: massgopguy
He might learn how to use a real knife in reform school. I hope that because of his age the children he becomes exposed to are not too bad. I got sent someplace at age nine for a year, where I got to hang with the really bad kids, long story but I didn't do anything bad, I learned how to pick locks, steal and lots of useful things that took some years to unlearn. At that age they are perhaps destroying what sounds like a very good child with their stupidity. The parents need to pull him out of that school system fast!
23 posted on 10/12/2009 9:34:23 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: camle

http://www.survival-school.org/Portals/10/KNF%20Set1.jpg

His pencil is just as dangerous...


24 posted on 10/12/2009 9:35:04 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: SERKIT

I love the THUD!!! Great pic!


25 posted on 10/12/2009 9:36:14 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: IbJensen

Good Lord, It’s time to clean the schools and get back some common sense.


26 posted on 10/12/2009 9:44:44 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: IbJensen
My little granddaughter, an A student, was so suspended and put into the 'reform school' class for having a Tums -

She had been suffering since a baby with severe stomach problems...(pain after meals...following a bout of rota-virus.

However, years of specialist and tests, from Florida to Canada to Texas (Military) could not pinpoint the problem.

My daughter, researching on her own, suggested to the 'experts' that it might be "leaky gut syndrome" - She was ridiculed.

The only relief for my little granddaughter was Tums, taken after eating. She was 'found' to have one in school, brought to the principals office and grilled like a criminal before her parents were notified and, who, when they got to school, found her shaking and crying. No amount of common sense prevailed and she was assigned to the detention class for real problem kids - and no amount of supporting testimony from her teachers, who knew and loved her, prevailed.

My daughter and husband showed up at the 'hearing' the next day WITH a lawyer - the school officials were furious: "There is no need to have a lawyer!" However, having the lawyer changed the outcome quickly.

My little granddaughter was returned to her regular class - but traumatized and afraid of school.

Fast forward one year - and more useless tests with specialists - a move to Florida and a chance encounter with a Natureopath at a health fair who was offering free blood diagnoses tests.

He offered to do one on my daughter - she asked him to do her little girl instead. He took a drop of blood, put it through his test, and knowing NOTHING about her history, asked her: "Does your tummy hurt after you eat?"

BINGO... Coeliac disease aka "leaky gut"

He prescribed a gluten free diet - which worked immediately.

When my daughter told her regular pediatrician, the reaction was a snooty: "Well, I guess if it's still working in a couple weeks, you'll know."

That was 9 months ago. My granddaughter is thriving and has no more pain. (If it had continued to go undiagnosed, it could have eventually killed her. And the kicker is that, with a history of having had rota-virus, which can be a precursor to Coeliac disease, there was NO DAMN EXCUSE for all those 'experts' to have missed it.)

Naturopathic doctors, in Florida and most states, must also have a regular medical degree. Any yet, insurances won't cover it not would the proposed gov't plan.

Why?

Well, let's see. Thousands and thousands of dollars were spent on the 'experts' and tests - without results - while one simple blood anyalsis was all it took to pinpoint the problem.

Follow the money?

27 posted on 10/12/2009 9:51:52 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: IbJensen

This is totally ridiculous. Perhaps a new school board election is in order.


28 posted on 10/12/2009 9:53:15 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: dog breath
He might learn how to use a real knife in reform school

Perhaps he'll come out of reform school knowing how to field strip a .45 auto.

29 posted on 10/12/2009 9:54:39 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: IbJensen

If it’s a choice between putting an innocent little boy in “reform school” or keeping him out to home school him, I hope the parents are able to find a way to do the latter. Screw those idiots.


30 posted on 10/12/2009 9:58:28 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: massgopguy

And don’t forget, the Cub Scouts are on the liberal ($***) List because of the Boy Scout organization ban on homosexuals. So the same people who can’t use common sense about this dangerous “weapon” in school also hate the Boy Scout organization and everything it stands for. That too could have given them incentive to make an example of this boy.


31 posted on 10/12/2009 9:58:49 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: The Great RJ
This is totally ridiculous. Perhaps a new school board election is in order

Wake up all you Sheeple who suggest it's the boards fault - it is, but they are only following FEDERAL guidelines = it's across the country...and the dumba*s educators have swallowed whole their Zero tolerance training...

You cannot fix it locally. You cannot fix it PERIOD.

The only answer is to take the kids OUT of public school. Homeschool, private school, online school, combination.

But get your kids out of the federal indoctrination camps.

32 posted on 10/12/2009 10:02:48 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: IbJensen

Good thing he didn’t draw a picture of a gun or he would be facing prison.


33 posted on 10/12/2009 10:07:23 AM PDT by MaxMax (Obama can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: IbJensen

IMHO:
Taking an average back pack that is taken to school on any given day and you will probably find at least5-10 items that can be made into a weapon. Rulers(wood/plastic/metal), compasses,pens,pencils,buckles and others.
Experiment by giving said back pack to a con in prison and see how many lethal things he can make.


34 posted on 10/12/2009 10:14:28 AM PDT by GOYAKLA
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To: Fiji Hill

That would be way too upscale for the little cretins, but he could possibly learn how to break in and steal yours if they kept him in there long enough. The last place a decent kid should be is reform school, they are finishing schools for criminals.


35 posted on 10/12/2009 10:15:12 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: SERKIT

When the Congress decided not to buy any more 105s Republic Aviation took a real hit. They had to lay-off 10,000 workers on LI. They did it Christmas Eve 1963 (iirc).


36 posted on 10/12/2009 10:21:24 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: IbJensen

While I do not agree with this zero tolerance crap I cant help wondering how this little guy left the house with the knife. I always made it clear to my kids (while they attended a public hell-hole) that x, y, and z were not permitted at school.


37 posted on 10/12/2009 10:25:17 AM PDT by Frogtacos (Horse lovers are stable people.)
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...Zachary was suspended and now faces 45 days in the district’s reform school.

Two words to the school officials: Molon Labe.

38 posted on 10/12/2009 10:27:32 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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“It just seems unfair,” Zachary said, pausing as he practiced writing lower-case letters with his mother, who is home-schooling him while the family tries to overturn his punishment.”

Why doesn’t she just homeschool him all the time???


39 posted on 10/12/2009 10:29:14 AM PDT by call meVeronica
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To: IbJensen

I went to the website and signed the petition and wrote an email to Zach and cc’d it to the school officials and board members listed.

There is a survey about Zero Tolerance policies, and I did not like the available answer set of the last question — I am against a Federal law banning them because the Federal government has no legitimate authority in re education under the federal government’s charter to us. But I am against ALL zero tolerance, and that includes mandatory sentences and mandatory co-charges.


40 posted on 10/12/2009 10:37:20 AM PDT by bvw
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To: wtc911
THUD
41 posted on 10/12/2009 10:40:24 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: GOYAKLA

Some of the worst injuries I remember a occurring during my school years were three incidents not involving banned items.

One: a sharpened pencil that two bullies made an awkward
student sit on one jr high study hall. They were expelled.

Two: a girl was thrown through a plate glass window during the race riots.

Three: a boy was knocked unconscious with a pipe from the stage theater scaffolding during the race riots.

I remember only one incident, also in junior high were about five girls were involved in a fight with razor blades — I do not remember hearing the injury report on that one.


42 posted on 10/12/2009 10:45:11 AM PDT by bvw
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To: GOYAKLA

Yes, I have heard the injury reports as a sub teacher of kids getting clobbered by book bags. The kid in Chicago was killed using a non-banned “weapon” — a loose piece of lumber. ANYTHING can used as a weapon.


43 posted on 10/12/2009 10:48:29 AM PDT by bvw
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To: IbJensen

..Zachary wears sometimes wears a suit and tie...
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

The REAL reason Zachary is gone.

Can’t have him showing up all the other yutes.
Bet he washes every day and does his homework and calls the teachers Mrs/Miss/Ma’am or whatever is appropriate.
Can’t have any of that manners and culture rub off on anybody.

(Some) Teachers probably don’t know what to think of it either.


44 posted on 10/12/2009 10:51:09 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 )VOTE THE INCUMBENTS OUT)
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To: camle
“ever notice how the zero-tolerance folks never, ever hassle the real thugs and only seem to harrass the honor students?”

That's because the real thugs, their “parents”, or both would catch those zero-tolerance folks and deliver a beating. A short stay in jail would only raise their street cred. Its far easier and safer to go after someone like this kid.

45 posted on 10/12/2009 10:56:24 AM PDT by Polynikes (Viene una tormenta)
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To: bvw

A weird sub-hobby of mine is day dreaming of weaponry one can make of everyday items. When shopping with wife I’m constantly looking for items to use if confronted by a threat.
When looking around one can see many things one can use.
But I guess that is the evil in me.


46 posted on 10/12/2009 11:08:53 AM PDT by GOYAKLA
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To: IbJensen
Parents need to insist that a zero tolerance policy be strictly enforced.

So, no more pencils, pens, combs, shoe laces, belts, scarfs, balls, or bats. The Admin. needs to police the campus every day for rocks, sticks, etc. before school starts. All school supplies should be inventoried daily to assure no one has pilfered something to be used as a weapon. In the classroom, there can be no rulers, books, plastic bags, purses, or anything else that a “reasonable” person might consider a weapon, which is any hard or sharp object.

All persons entering the school must submit to a full body search including a body cavity search. Everyone will remove & exchange their clothing for prison style garb & flip-flops.

You want zero tolerance? You got it!

Given the current propensity of teachers & school staff to molest students, zero tolerance will apply to school staff as well as students. Any staff member who violates zero tolerance will be immediately fired. Staff can expect their personal property & car to be searched daily. After all, an adult with a jar of paste is far more dangerous than a 6 year old. Staff should be prohibited from bringing ANY type of meds to school, such as aspirin, Rolaids, etc. Searches will be done daily. Zero tolerance MEANS ZERO TOLERANCE!

If parents would INSIST that zero tolerance be applied to EVERYONE & EVERYTHING at school, this BS would stop pronto!

Then we can return to the good old system of favoritism for athletes & ass kissers, & perhaps INTENT can again be considered in finding guilt.

47 posted on 10/12/2009 11:19:46 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“And don’t forget, the Cub Scouts are on the liberal ($***) List because of the Boy Scout organization ban on homosexuals. So the same people who can’t use common sense about this dangerous “weapon” in school also hate the Boy Scout organization and everything it stands for. That too could have given them incentive to make an example of this boy.”

Exactly what I was going to say.


48 posted on 10/12/2009 11:32:27 AM PDT by mombyprofession
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To: FreedomHammer

public school ping


49 posted on 10/12/2009 11:33:09 AM PDT by mombyprofession
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To: Polynikes

I agree.

But also, I think in their effort to treat everyone “equally”, they go after the good kids to spread out the punishment among all social groups. That however, just tells ALL the kids that being good has no benefit. A good character has zero benefit in zero tolerance land. Might as well be a thug!


50 posted on 10/12/2009 11:37:19 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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