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Zinni: Don't Delay Decision on Afghan War
CBS' "Face the Nation" ^ | October 4, 2009 | Michelle Levi

Posted on 10/04/2009 5:53:39 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin

(CBS) The former U.S. commander in Afghanistan, General Anthony Zinni, warned that the deliberations over whether to send additional troops to Afghanistan - as many as 40,000, as suggested by General Stanley McChrystal - should not go on too much longer, lest the debate be viewed as indecision or weakness.

On CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, Zinni said it was positive to have a strategic debate and to take all opinions into account. "But I think we have to be careful how long this goes on," he told CBS News chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer. "It could be seen not only out there in the region but our allies, even [by] the enemy, as being indecisive, unable to make a decision."

He questioned why the White House is questioning the advice of their commander in Afghanistan, General McChrystal who made the request for additional troops.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; mcchrystal; obama; oef; wot; zinni
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1 posted on 10/04/2009 5:53:39 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Percieved as??? He is speaking in the past tense.

Obama is indecisive and weak.


2 posted on 10/04/2009 5:55:08 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (ImpeachZero)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

>> lest the debate be viewed as indecision or weakness.

With all due respect, General, it’s too late. The CinC has already ensured that he’s viewed as weak and indecisive by the whole world.


3 posted on 10/04/2009 5:57:59 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Yeah, but the first step to changing that view in the world is acting decisively and correctly on Afghanistan now.


4 posted on 10/04/2009 5:59:46 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Zinni is a HUGE....HUGE LEFTY!!! And a HUGE SUPOORTER of BAMMY’S!!


5 posted on 10/04/2009 6:00:04 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

General Anthony Zinni was one of the few Gens who backed Boma for pres. You can see he has buyers remorse


6 posted on 10/04/2009 6:01:47 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Obama has no choice but to swiftly make a decision, at this point. The cat’s already out of the bag, as they say, and the whole world is watching to see how he handles this.

Do it wrong, and he imperils not only our brave troops in the field, but our allies on the ground in the region, and even America itself.

I have little faith that Zero is going to make the right choice. Liberal ideologues like him always do the wrong thing at the wrong time, in these life and death situations.


7 posted on 10/04/2009 6:02:19 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ann Archy

This us going to be hard for the left to digest after raising Zinni to near god status.


8 posted on 10/04/2009 6:03:23 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: JLS

>> Yeah, but the first step to changing that view in the world is acting decisively and correctly on Afghanistan now.

You’re absolutely right; that would be a step in the right direction.

Do you think Bambi will listen?

By the way, I think Bambi knows darn well what the right choice is, militarily speaking.

I think the waffling is politics — pure and simple. He needs his left wing for health care and he’s hesitant to piss them off.

Meanwhile, while he screws around, jet-sets to Europe with Oprah, and plays golf, our young men give up their lives. It’s infuriating.


9 posted on 10/04/2009 6:04:43 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Ann Archy
Zinni is a HUGE....HUGE LEFTY!!! And a HUGE SUPOORTER of BAMMY’S!!

I know. I'm trying to process this. It was not what I expected from him today.

10 posted on 10/04/2009 6:04:47 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

He’ll have to walk it back somehow. Bammy or Rahm will give him a tongue lashing.....or spill a secret or two.


11 posted on 10/04/2009 6:06:43 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Ann Archy

“We have a general out there who is probably the best qualified we could have that’s telling us what we need on the ground to have the security space and the time to get those non-military things done,” Zinni said. “I just don’t understand why we’re questioning that judgment at this point.

“I hope this doesn’t go on much longer.”

It will be a long walk


12 posted on 10/04/2009 6:10:05 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Obama is weak, but not indecisive. He wants Afghanistan to be a war of attrition, grinding down and ruining our military. He does not want victory in Afghanistan. All those returning soldiers would interfere with the creation of the USA as a socialist state. It better to drag the war out, get as many soldiers killed as possible, make the war unpopular at home, so America will demean soldiers, and regard them as right wing extremists veterans, as Janet Napolitano does.

LINKAGE. To understand Obama look at the linkage from one policy to another.

Obama has every intention of creating Vietnam II in Afghanistan. He is well on his way to accomplishing it. Whats more, nothing can stop him either. Well nothing that's legal, IMHO.

13 posted on 10/04/2009 6:47:23 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Candor7

Obama is no views. He stated views are nothing but means put forward by his advisors to achieve a goal.

On the few occasions he does speak his mind it is a disaster e.g. ‘Stupidly’. Then there are his absurd Health Care Speech. No sane person can say that.

In my opinion the “light is on but there is nobody home”.

Time will tell.


14 posted on 10/04/2009 6:54:17 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (ImpeachZero)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

” “But I think we have to be careful how long this goes on,”

I guess it depends on what the definition is of “ how long.”

” The president was vacationing in Martha’s Vineyard on Aug. 30 when Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal sent Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates a war assessment in which he said more U.S. troops - “

Monday- Aug 31 Obama goes golfing at the Army-Navy Country Club.

Lance Cpl. David R. Hall, 31, of Elyria, Ohio, KIA Afghanistan
Spc. Tyler R. Walshe, 21, of Shasta Calif., KIA

Tuesday Sept 1-Obama hosts a dinner celebrating Ramadan.

Wednesday Sept 2-Obama departs the White House en route to Camp David.

Thursday Sept 3- Post Martha’s Vineyard Vacation ..Vacation at Camp David

Lance Cpl. Christopher S. Baltazar Jr., 19, KIA
Petty Officer 3rd Class Benjamin P. Castiglione, 21,KIA

Friday Sept 4-Post Martha’s Vineyard Vacation..Vacation at Camp David

2nd Lt. Darryn D. Andrews, 34, of Dallas, Texas, KIA

Saturday Sept 5- Post Martha’s Vineyard Vacation..Vacation at Camp David

Capt. Joshua S. Meadows, 30, of Bastrop, Texas, KIA

Sgt. Youvert Loney, 28, KIA

Sunday Sept 6-Post Martha’s Vineyard Vacation..Vacation at Camp David

Sgt. Randy M. Haney, 27, KIA

Staff Sgt. Michael C. Murphrey, 25,KIA

Monday Sept 7-Obama addresses the Cincinnati AFL-CIO Labor Day Picnic in Cincinnati, OH.

Tuesday Sept 8 Obama delivers a back-to-school speech.

Petty Officer 3rd Class James R. Layton, 22, KIA

Obama and Biden meet with the PGA Champions of America.

Gunnery Sgt. Edwin W. Johnson Jr., 31, KIA

1st Lt. Michael E. Johnson, 25, KIA

Staff Sgt. Aaron M. Kenefick, 30, KIA

Wednesday Sept 9-Obama appears on Good Morning America and flies to NYC to speak at Walter Cronkite’s Memorial service

Thursday Sept 10-Obama welcomes the Pittsburgh Penguins to the White House.

Lance Cpl. Christopher S. Fowlkes, 20, KIA

And on and on his September schedule went with fluff, days with nothing scheduled or one or two meetings.
While the death toll mounted.

September 16 Barry and Michelle were fake fighting with rubber swords and giggling for the media at a pre Olympic WH extravaganza

Sgt. 1st Class Bradley S. Bohle, 29, KIA

Sgt. 1st Class Shawn P. McCloskey, 33, KIA

Staff Sgt. Joshua M. Mills, 24, KIA


15 posted on 10/04/2009 7:02:27 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Just who the heck does this guy think he is? Doesn’t he know that he is speaking to a man who knows much more about running a war than some darn General. What nerve!


16 posted on 10/04/2009 7:38:18 PM PDT by kempster
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; LucyT
Obama plans to create a Socialist Utopian State. Anyone who says he is crazy has bit the pooch. Many said that Chavez was crazy. Now he has complete dictatorial control of Venezuela.

Many said Castro," was crazy, he will never come to power." He has dictatorial control of Cuba.

Many said that Benito Mussolini was crazy, but he seized the reins of power through the trade unions and achieved dictatorial control of Italy.

Many said a short little Austrian f--k with a moustache was crazy too, but he used Union thugs to bring his Union of National Socialists to power through the thuggish controlled ballot, and never relinquished it , until he was forced to do himself and his woman in an underground bunker.

And what did all of them have in common? The creation of a socialist Utopia based on a campaign of "historic justice" where the descendants of those who wronged "the people" were made to pay, YES PAY, for the alleged sins of their forefathers.

Are any bells ringing yet?

Obama has a team who share his goals of destroying America and rebuilding it in the image of a Socialist Utopia. Every move he makes is calculated and advised. He has a set of "campaign" advisors to achieve his goals. He has been on a continuous campaign both before and after the election. He announces calls to action, he unilaterally decides who the chairmen of mega corporations will be. He has the union thugs ready to do his bidding. Its a well worn path my FRiend, and we are too far down it to end the trajectory easily.

America is awakening, but its still in shock. And America does not YET know who Obama really is. Look at what he and Odinga accomplished in Kenya 2006/2007. That was a dry run for what America can expect. Civil unrest, violence , and possibly genocide in parts of America. Obama won't stop until he achieves that and invokes martial law in America.His goads are working around the clock to achieve it, one calculated step at a time. Some of them are right here on FR, every chance they get. That is the measure of their resolve.

Read Jonah Goldberg's signal work, well researched and annotated,a history text in fact: " Liberal Fascism, The Secret History of America's Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning."

It should be prescibed reading for every patriot breathing the good air of the United States.

I know Obama well. He and his Junta need to be scourged, root, tree and branch, and placed on the bonfires of history, along with the other tyrants of which human beings who would be free had to rid themselves.

Everyone says, "It can't happen here!"

I got news for ya FRiend. It is happening here.Right now. Every day.

Just watch as he creates a war of attrition in Afghanistan, turning it into a meat grinder for our soldiers.Its happened already, as he knew it would. There is no serendipity about it. Why would he want to do that? He doesn't want the kind of military we have. He has apologized for our military's historic, heroic action over and over again while abroad.

And like his forbearer in Germany, he wanted his very own Munich in Chicago,so he could fill his election coffers for 2012 through pay to play.Now he must wring his money from elsewhere. Watch it happen. Watch for the next gravy train.

17 posted on 10/04/2009 7:41:51 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Its Obama’s war now and all that BLOOD is on his hands. In the meantime, Michelle would like another sundae.


18 posted on 10/04/2009 7:55:03 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Candor7
The key difference being the Zero has no track record. He's never really accomplished anything. His wife reworked his malleable spine. There are times such as now when a Decision is up to him and him alone. He's just the Big House on the corner with no furniture inside.

He hasn't a clue how to carry out his agenda. He has no real knowledge in his brain. Only phrases and dogma. A memorizer not an analyzer.

19 posted on 10/05/2009 6:39:37 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (ImpeachZero)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Time will tell. I stick by my assertion based on historical analysis.

There is nothing puppy about Obama.The Afghan decision delay is for a specific purpose, establishing a war of attrition in Afghanistan. He has pretty much achieved that.


20 posted on 10/05/2009 9:25:06 AM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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