Charles Manson follower Susan Atkins dies

ABC News ^ | September 25, 2009 | LINDA DEUTSCH AP Special Correspondent

[ETL]

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Susan Atkins, a follower of cult leader Charles Manson whose remorseless witness stand confession to killing pregnant actress Sharon Tate in 1969 shocked the world, has died. She was 61 and had been suffering from brain cancer..."

Debra Tate, the slain actress's younger sister, told the parole commissioners Sept. 2 that she "will pray for (Atkins') soul when she draws her last breath, but until then I think she should remain in this controlled situation." Debra Tate noted that she would have a 40-year-old nephew if her sister had lived..."

Atkins married twice while in prison. Her first husband, Donald Lee Laisure, purported to be an eccentric Texas millionaire. They quickly divorced. Whitehouse, her second husband, is a Harvard Law School graduate and had recently served as one of her attorneys.

[ETL]

Obama pals Dohrn and Ayers' Weather Underground and the Manson Family basically had the same agenda: to incite a race-based, black vs white revolutionary overthrow of the capitalist class ('pigs'). That is what Wright's Black Liberation is all about...

"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410
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From the New York Times, August 24, 2003

"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."

Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E4DE1539F937A1575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
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Charles Manson's Helter Skelter:

"Helter Skelter would begin, according to one of Charlie's devotees, 'with the black man going into white people's homes and ripping off the white people, physically destroying them. A couple of spades from Watts would come up into the Bel Air and Beverly Hills district...and just really wipe some people out, just cutting bodies up and smearing blood and writing things on the wall in blood...all kinds of super-atrocious crimes that would really make the white man mad...until there was open revolution in the streets, until they finally won and took over. Then the black man would assume the white man's karma. He would then be the establishment'..."

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/manson/skelter_6.html
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"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
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"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09
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Actress Sharon Tate
very nice 3-min video slide show of Tate here

Confession (Manson Family)

When they got in the house, Susan [Atkins] said that in the living room there was a man on the couch and a woman on the chair reading. Then some of Susan's group stayed in the living room, while Susan went into the bedroom where Sharon was sitting on the bed talking to Jay Sebring. They quickly put nooses over Sharon and Jay's heads so that if they moved they would choke.

Frykowski ran for the door. "He was full of blood," she said and claimed that she had stabbed him three or four times. "He was bleeding and he ran to the front part, and would you believe that he was there hollering 'Help, help, somebody please help me,' and nobody came? Then we finished him off."

"Sharon was the last to die," Susan said with a laugh as she described how Sharon was begging her, " Please don't kill me. Please don't kill me. I don't want to die. I want to live. I want to have my baby. I want to have my baby."

Susan said she just looked at Sharon straight in the eye and said, "Look, bitch, I don't care about you. I don't care if you're going to have a baby. You had better be ready. You're going to die and I don't feel anything about it...In a few minutes I killed her."

Susan said she saw that there was Sharon's blood on her hand and she tasted it. "Wow, what a trip! To taste death, and yet give life."

Source: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/manson/confess_4.html

"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn
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The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference
[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]

April 19th-20th, 2002
Chicago Illini Union
828 S. Wolcott

This conference is part of the Center's mission of helping to create a more engaged civil society, working towards social change, fostering coalitions between theorists and activists, and combating anti-intellectualism in contemporary culture. It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society.

I. Why Do Ideas Matter? (a keynote panel)

We introduce the “meta” theme of the conference by hearing “success stories” from diverse voices discussing their experiences intervening intellectually.

Timuel Black, Chicago activist; Prof. Emeritus, City Colleges of Chicago
Lonnie Bunch, President, Chicago Historical Society
Bernardine Dohrn, Northwestern University Law School, Children and Family Justice Center
Gerald Graff, UIC, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
Richard Rorty, Stanford University, Philosophy

III. Lunch and Public Encounters

Alternative breakout tours led by Chicago activists. Tours of Bronzeville and other communities, and visits to organizations that are working on partnering theorists with activists.

IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis
Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations.

William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days
Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights
Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science
Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times
Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator
Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator)

The Center for Public Intellectuals
University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC):
http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm
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"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obama’s circle: The same old America-hating Left
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=&w=MA==

[ETL]

Her hair shorn, Susan Atkins is taken to a 1971 hearing.
Los Angeles Times

[freedumb2003]

Say hi to the swimmer when you arrive down there, atkins!

[Tax-chick]

If she repented, God has forgiven her. I’m happy that she remained in prison until death.

[angcat]

Rot in hell dogface.

[mom4melody]

Susan Atkins died a Believer in Christ. Her sins were forgiven.

[mark3681]

And they continue their work today. They’ve been trying to start a race war for years. It has been intensifying since Zero took office.

[ETL]

"In 1969, Ayers and his wife [Bernardine Dohrn] convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World revolutionaries conquer and destroy it. Taking charge of the podium, dressed in a high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" [sound familiar? re: Obama's Reverend Wright -etl] and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast."

Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

'Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!'

http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=24446

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

Having been a cult member herself, I can’t help but wondering what she thought of the current cult of 0bama.

[The_Victor]

Her hair shorn, Susan Atkins is taken to a 1971 hearing.

They shoulda shorn her legs too.

[PGalt]

I was not going to click on the headline...UNTIL I saw you posted it. Thanks for posting. Thanks for the education. Thanks for your work on this forum. OUTSTANDING!

[ozark hilljilly]

Sadie Mae Glutz.

[waxer1]

Like Karla Faye Tucker, Susan Adkins was a true believer in Christ. As you said, she humbled herself before God and was forgiven.

It is hard for us as humans to wrap our minds around something like this.

Did she deserve to get out of prison? NO!!! she had to pay her debt for the terrible things that she did.

Her debt is paid in full.

[relictele]

The haircut should have begun a bit lower - say right around neck level with a sharp axe.

[reagan_fanatic]

That’s why God Almighty is so remarkable. He has the power to forgive. I could not forgive someone who murdered someone as brutally as she did.

[ETL]

You’re welcome, and thanks for the kind words.

[ETL]

From Jeff Head's website...
One notable quote from [James] Cone describing his Black Liberation Theology is as follows:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." - "Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged Threshold Issue for Black Theology", in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, by William R Jones, ed Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press).
http://www.jeffhead.com/blacklibtheology.htm

African American Religious Thought: An Anthology (Paperback)
by Cornel West (Editor), Eddie S. Glaude Jr. (Editor)
http://www.amazon.com/African-American-Religious-Thought-Anthology/dp/0664224598
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HANNITY: But Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not backing down and has not for years and in his strong stance on the teaching of black liberation theology is nothing new. He had the same things to say last spring when he appeared on "Hannity & Colmes:"

WRIGHT: If you're not going to talk about theology in context, if you're not going to talk about liberation theology that came out of the '60s, systematized black liberation theology that started with Jim Cone in 1968 and the writings of Cone and the writings of Dwight Hopkins and the writings of womynist theologians and Asian theologians and Hispanic theologians, then you can't talk about the black value system.

HANNITY: But I'm a — reverend

WRIGHT: Do you know liberation theology, sir?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html
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For all you'll ever need or want to know about Wright's
Communist-revolutionary "Black Liberation Theology",
see my FR Home page:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/

[alice_in_bubbaland]

Nice hair! (on legs)

True justice at last.

[agrace]

Mug shot -

Book cover years later

Just the difference in the face. I read that book a long time ago and it's pretty compelling. She doesn't make excuses for her involvement, completely accepts responsibility, and their crimes were absolutely horrific. She does paint Manson as one scary messed up dude who held hypnotic sway of some of them.

I agree with you - she deserved to die in prison but I believe her belief in God was real - no gimmick. And she spent 40 years doing everything she could from prison to prove it.

[swatbuznik]

Funny in that picture: Head shaved, legs not.

[ETL]

They shoulda shorn her legs too.

Lol! I see what you mean! I didn't get it at first.

[PGalt]

Worth another BTTT!

[Past Your Eyes]

Eewwwww.

[ETL]

Just the difference in the face.

"Atkins during the grand jury proceedings"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Atkins
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"File - Convicted murderer and former Charles Manson family member, Susan
Atkins, is seen in a bed during her parole hearing in this Sept. 2, 2009, file photo
taken at the Central California Women's Facility in Chowchilla, Calif." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090925/ap_on_re_us/us_obit_manson_follower_9

[agrace]

I know, hard to believe, but I guess cancer can be pretty devastating.

[yazoo]

One down, three to go.

[ETL]

"Sharon was the last to die," Susan said with a laugh as she described how Sharon was begging her, " Please don't kill me. Please don't kill me. I don't want to die. I want to live. I want to have my baby. I want to have my baby."

Susan said she just looked at Sharon straight in the eye and said, "Look, bitch, I don't care about you. I don't care if you're going to have a baby. You had better be ready. You're going to die and I don't feel anything about it...In a few minutes I killed her."

Susan said she saw that there was Sharon's blood on her hand and she tasted it. "Wow, what a trip! To taste death, and yet give life."

Source: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/manson/confess_4.html

[trisham]

She should have been executed shortly after the trial.

[ETL]

“Debra Tate, the slain actress’s younger sister, told the parole commissioners Sept. 2 that she ‘will pray for (Atkins’) soul when she draws her last breath, but until then I think she should remain in this controlled situation.’ Debra Tate noted that she would have a 40-year-old nephew if her sister had lived...”

[trisham]

It's very sad. Not only did they lose a sister/daughter, the Tate family has had to endure knowing what a cruel death Sharon suffered. They're the ones who deserve our sympathy, as they have received a life sentence as well.

[agrace]

So basically you’re saying that someone can be so depraved that even the Creator of the universe can’t change them?

[Carl LaFong]

Gee, that’s tough. Hey!..pancakes!

[Miss Behave]

Thank you for the Sharon Tate pics, ETL. Beautiful...a dead ringer for my sissy...who died of brain cancer. How’s Hell goin’ for ya, Susan Atkins?

[TChris]

You're going to die and I don't feel anything about it...

Oh, but you WILL feel something, Susan.

You most definitely will.

[celestron71]

If she repented, God has forgiven her. I’m happy that she remained in prison until death.

: I'm not, I wish they would have killed her and the whole Manson tribe. They should have tortured them all over a period of several days, making death as painful and as long as they could and making it public while doing so. That would have sent the whole crew of hippie psychos roaming the country at that time to run for cover and would have stopped the 60s communist movement in it's tracks.

[Tax-chick]

I wish they would have killed her and the whole Manson tribe.

Well, yes, that would have been good. I meant "as opposed to letting her out."

[ETL]

“Susan Atkins, one of the killers, writes “Pig” on the house’s front door, in Sharon Tate’s blood.”

http://www.aboundinglove.org/sensational/wydfm/wydfm-014.php

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“Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!”
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09

[ETL]

"When police arrived at the LaBianca murder scene, they found various words written in blood. On the living room walls, there was "rise" and "death to pigs." Carved into Leno LaBianca's stomach was "war." Alone these seem to give no clue, but another writing on the refrigerator did. It was the incorrectly spelt "healter skelter." This led some investigators to believe the writings may have been influenced by the so-called "White Album" by the Beatles which included the song "Helter Skelter." Another song on the album, "Blackbird," used the word "arise" which may have inspired the bloody use of "rise."

The phase "death to pigs" was likely inspired by the Beatles' song "Piggies." Had police made the connection, they would have realized that "pig" was used in the previous murders at the Gary Hinman and Sharon Tate houses. At Hinman's, bloody writing said "political piggie" while "pig" was written at the Tate house."

http://www.charliemanson.com/helter-skelter.htm

[freedumb2003]

>>Susan Atkins died a Believer in Christ. Her sins were forgive<<
It is not for me to judge — that is between her and God. But jailhouse conversions are, shall we say, convenient.

Her particular behavior in the Tate killings was crueler than anyone but charlie’s — some things are too terrible to forgive. God, in His infinite wisdom may do so. Most of us can and should not.

[Niuhuru]

“Debra Tate noted that she would have a 40-year-old nephew if her sister had lived...””

Something too many people forget. We only have one life, ONE LIFE on this earth and Sharon never got to live hers fully. I believe she went to heaven, but there is something poignent about how she is in eternal bliss, all needs met, but there’s something about living on earth and experiencing the feeling of comfort that warm socks, jammies, and good food bring in their own unique way.

I hate loathe, and despise the Manson family psychos for what they did. I don’t believe she died truly remorseful and you don’t just swtich from butcher to child of God in such a short time. If she was truly repentent, she would have been willing to live out her sentence. BUs instead she tried to get out time and time again.

Someone that messed up and easily led to the point of butchering those innocent people should be refused parole because if some other madman gets them under his control, she could easily end up killing again.

[mom4melody]

I imagine the Christians of the day had a hard time with Saul of Tarsus and his conversion as well.

King David was a man after God’s own heart, yet he was an adulterer and a murderer.

Abraham lied, denied and then disobeyed God - he was made the father of God’s Chosen.

Rahab was a protitute and a liar, yet her faith is praised.

In God’s eyes, if we’ve thought it, we’ve done it (which makes me squirm a bit).

God calls who he will call. It’s up to us to answer, no matter who we are, or what we’ve done.

I imagine there will be surprises in the hereafter as to who is where. Big surprises.

[Snurple]

Your post is biblicaly correct in every aspect and in perfect line with Christ teachings. Most “avowed’ Christians here would rather she be roasting slowly in hell. LMAO.

[Niuhuru]

If she fully understood her crimes, why did she want to be let out. Why didn’t she accept with resignation what she had done and live out her sentence without appealing for parole? It sounds like she was trying to have it both ways and God doesn’t allow that. One way or another. Either want out and believe she should be exempt from fulfilling her sentence or accept God’s grace, what she did, and then live out her life in prison without asking for anything other than being allowed to live her life after taking that of others.

[Figment]

“Her hair shorn”

Wasn’t shorn on her legs

[Deo volente]

Well, not to turn this into a Protestant vs. Catholic thread, but she may have some temporal punishment and cleansing still to undergo in Purgatory.

(Sorry, but being Catholic, I just thought to mention that.)

But yes, God can forgive ANY sin. He’s All-Powerful and All-Merciful. No limits there. We’re the ones who often seek to limit Him.

[death2tyrants]

On Spahn Ranch she was known as ‘Sexy Sadie’, but unless they get some formaldehyde in her she’s going to be known as ‘Stinky Sadie’.

[mom4melody]

I would guess human nature - there’s that desire to be free in all of us.

[null and void]

Bad rubbish. Good riddance.