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Veterans Day Parade Bans Confederate Flag
cbs 4 ^ | 09/17/09 | Jasmine Kripalani

Posted on 09/17/2009 8:22:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

The Veterans Day parade that will be held in Homestead later this year will be missing one controversial symbol: The Confederate battle flag.

That's because organizers decided to ban the flag from the parade after much back-and-forth debate. For some, the flag is a symbol of Southern pride. But others say it's a symbol of the country's racist past.

Initially, the organizers – the Homestead/ Florida City Chamber of Commerce's Military Affairs Committee – had agreed to allow the flag. But they reversed that decision on Wednesday after Jeffrey Wander, the committee chairman, said he sent out emails asking for people's opinions. A majority said he should ban the flag.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: confederate; dixie; flag; racism; south
So damn the 1st amendment, let's take a poll and decide who gets to speak.

I hope this veterans' day parade tanks. Hold an alternative one somewhere else.

1 posted on 09/17/2009 8:22:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper; Joe Brower

florida news ping


2 posted on 09/17/2009 8:23:08 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

3 posted on 09/17/2009 8:24:38 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t do parades much anymore, too much PC intrusion.


4 posted on 09/17/2009 8:24:46 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Rebelbase

99% of those Klansmen were Democrats. Maybe even Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia) was among them.


5 posted on 09/17/2009 8:25:42 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Well, they could carry the 1st, 2nd or 3rd National.


6 posted on 09/17/2009 8:26:08 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“But others say it’s a symbol of the country’s racist past.”

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And Obama and his Administration are a palpable and active sign of the country’s racist PRESENT.

Can we abolish him, too?


7 posted on 09/17/2009 8:26:36 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Marxist have this consistent theme of shutting down speech they don’t like. Wonder how many “conservatives” also support this?


8 posted on 09/17/2009 8:27:18 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: SoFloFreeper
No Problem, Everyone show up in a flag tee shirt.

Mike

9 posted on 09/17/2009 8:27:44 AM PDT by MichaelP (Peckerwood is in charge...)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Hmmm . . . I don’t fly the Confederate flag, and I don’t fly the 1860 Union flag. I prefer the 50-state stars and strips, which I fly every day.

Just my own preference.


10 posted on 09/17/2009 8:29:47 AM PDT by cvq3842 (I don't ask what my country can do for me - I ask my government to STOP doing things TO me!)
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To: PeteB570

The Bonnie Blue Flag would probably be better.


11 posted on 09/17/2009 8:29:52 AM PDT by RC2
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To: SoFloFreeper

99% is probably a low-ball estimate. :)


12 posted on 09/17/2009 8:30:13 AM PDT by cvq3842 (I don't ask what my country can do for me - I ask my government to STOP doing things TO me!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

They need to include this in their parade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjOIFGrYtaE


13 posted on 09/17/2009 8:33:04 AM PDT by RC2
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Gay Pride flag is welcome but the Southern Pride flag is banned. Typical. Is that homophobic or racsist or anything on my part? Sure don’t want to offend anyone.


14 posted on 09/17/2009 8:40:46 AM PDT by beckysueb (Hey Obama, get out of Sarahs' house!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

NEXT UP: All references to heroic soldiers from WW2 to be banned. Why? Because they smoked cigarettes!


15 posted on 09/17/2009 8:43:29 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: SoFloFreeper

How about this for a compromise. All those veterans that fought for the Confederacy are welcome to carry the Confederate flag in the parade. 8^)


16 posted on 09/17/2009 8:46:53 AM PDT by NC28203
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To: Raymann
heads up. Apropos of our exchange.


17 posted on 09/17/2009 8:47:36 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I prefer this one anyway.

18 posted on 09/17/2009 8:50:17 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

Can't go wrong with this one, either.

19 posted on 09/17/2009 8:52:43 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: cvq3842

Good thing that flag never had any slaves working under it..


20 posted on 09/17/2009 8:58:32 AM PDT by triSranch (Live from the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
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To: SoFloFreeper
But others say it's a symbol of the country's racist past.
That's the point - it's in the PAST. It's history.
Get over it, get a life, move forward.
21 posted on 09/17/2009 8:59:25 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Federal Judge has recently upheld ban on Confederate symbols in schools in SOUTH CAROLINA!!

http://www.thestate.com/statewire/story/945467.html


22 posted on 09/17/2009 9:12:47 AM PDT by awake-n-angry
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To: triSranch

The 13th Amendment freed the slaves and the 16th re-enslaved us. :)


23 posted on 09/17/2009 9:28:34 AM PDT by cvq3842 (I don't ask what my country can do for me - I ask my government to STOP doing things TO me!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Is there a side-by-side list somewhere of what the right has banned vs. what the left has banned in the past few years? Seems like they are very into banning and shutting up others and other points of view and particular words, etc.


24 posted on 09/17/2009 9:30:55 AM PDT by Anima Mundi
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To: RC2
Is that left-wing NUTcase and anti-Christian bigot, Ted Turner acting as a Confederate officer?

I didn't see the movie, but from this clip, it looks like some PC crap (no Stars and Bars) being portrayed as "history" in film.

25 posted on 09/17/2009 9:36:17 AM PDT by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This was taken from the 11/3/06 issue of the “Okinawa Marine”, which is published by the Consolidated Public Affairs Office of Marine Corps Base Camp Smedley D. Butler. It was written by Navy Lt. Cmdr. Joe D. Haines.

How the Confederate Stars and Bars Made its Way to Okinawa

Only the Normandy D-Day invasion surpassed Okinawa in its scope, preparation and forces employed. More than 548,000 Americans participated in the Okinawa invasion. American service members were surprised to find virtually no resistance as they stormed the beaches on Easter 1945. They soon discovered that the Japanese Imperial Army
and Navy had literally gone underground having spent a year forcing Okinawan slaves to dig their underground defenses. It required 83 days of combat to defeat the Japanese.

The invasion of Okinawa was by the newly organized American 10th Army. The 10th, commanded by Lt. Gen. Simon Bolivar Buckner, was composed of the XXIV Corps, made up of veteran Army units including the 7th, 27th, 77th, and 96th Infantry divisions, and the III Amphibious Corps, with three battle-hardened Marine divisions, the 1st, 2nd, and
6th.

One of the most significant milestones in the Okinawan campaign was the taking of Shuri Castle, the underground headquarters of the Japanese Imperial Army. After two months of fighting the Japanese, the 6th Marines and
the Army’s 7th Division were moving south, nearing Shuri Castle. The 6th Marines were commanded by Maj. Gen. Pedro del Valle. Following a hard fight at Dakeshi Town, del Valle’s Marines engaged in a bloody battle at Wana Draw.

Wana Draw stretched 800 yards and was covered by Japanese guns from its 400-yard entrance to its narrow exit. The exit provided the key to Shuri Castle. The Japanese were holed up in caves the entire length of the gully, and had to be eradicated in man-to-man combat.

While the Marines battled through the mud and blood up the draw, the Army’s 77th Division was approaching Shuri from the east. To the west, the 6th Marines were pushing into the capital city of Naha. Faced with this overwhelming force, Japanese Gen. Ushijima’s army retreated to the south. On May 29, 1945, A Company, Red Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, commanded by Capt. Julius Dusenberg, approached to within 800 yards of Shuri Castle. The castle lay within the zone of the 77th Infantry Division, known as the Statue of Liberty Boys. However, Gen. Ushijima’s rear guard had stalled the 77th’s advance.

Impatient, Maj. Gen. del Valle ordered Capt. Dusenberg to “take that damned place if you can. I’ll make the explanations.”

Dusenberg radioed back, “Will do!”

Dusenberg’s Marines stormed the stone fortress, quickly dispatching a detachment of Japanese soldiers who had remained behind. Once the castle had been taken, Dusenberg took off his helmet and removed a flag he had been carrying for just such a special occasion. He raised the flag at the highest point of the castle and let loose with a rebel yell. The flag waving overhead was not the Stars and Stripes, but the Confederate Stars and Bars. Most of the Marines joined in the yell, but a disapproving New Englander supposedly remarked, “What does he want now? Should we sing ‘Dixie’?”

Maj. Gen. Andrew Bruce, the commanding general of the 77th Division, protested to the 10th Army that the Marines had stolen his prize. But Lt. Gen. Buckner only mildly chided Gen. del Valle, saying, “How can I be sore at him? My father fought under that flag!” Gen. Buckner’s father was the Confederate Gen. Buckner who had surrendered Fort Donelson to Gen. Ulysses S. Grant in 1862. The flag flew only two days over Shuri Castle when it was formally raised on May 31, 1945. Dusenberg’s flag was first lowered and presented to Gen. Buckner as a souvenir. Gen. Buckner remarked, “OK! Now, let’s get on with the war!” Tragically, just days before Okinawa fell, Gen. Buckner was killed by an enemy shell on June 18, 1945, on Mezido Ridge while observing a Marine attack.


26 posted on 09/17/2009 9:39:14 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: oh8eleven
They don't want to get over it.

They want to USE it to furtner their reverse-racist agenda (more goodies given to them and their constituents, up to and including reparations).

Besied USING it, they also want to REVISE it in concert with their white left-wing comrades who feel white guilt over long past history.

I say, "SCREW THEM" (and... "THEY LIE!").

27 posted on 09/17/2009 9:40:19 AM PDT by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: LeonardFMason
NEXT UP: All references to heroic soldiers from WW2 to be banned. Why? Because they smoked cigarettes!

Plus it turns out many of them were white! The horrors.

28 posted on 09/17/2009 9:55:05 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: cvq3842
Hmmm . . . I don’t fly the Confederate flag, and I don’t fly the 1860 Union flag. I prefer the 50-state stars and strips, which I fly every day.

Just my own preference.

Amen brother.

I am an American. Flying any flag from the Confederacy side-by-side with the Ensign is cognitive dissonance.

29 posted on 09/17/2009 10:03:43 AM PDT by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: beckysueb
The Gay Pride flag is welcome but the Southern Pride flag is banned.

1) Where in the article does it say that there will be "gay pride" flags?

2) Two wrongs do not make a right.

30 posted on 09/17/2009 10:04:48 AM PDT by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: NC28203

LOL.

Kinda my earlier point. Good show.


31 posted on 09/17/2009 10:05:22 AM PDT by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Flying that outside my porch right now.


32 posted on 09/17/2009 10:05:46 AM PDT by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The stars and stripes also flew while slavery was legal in the United States and the confederacy didn’t exist. I guess they just don’t want to remember that part.


33 posted on 09/17/2009 11:09:21 AM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: Still Thinking

“....many of them were white!”

It’s even worse. MOST of them were white! WW2 was RACIST!


34 posted on 09/17/2009 11:50:34 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: DocH

Yes....the Stars and Bars were used in the movie. That was just one segment showing the Bonnie Blue. I didn’t pay much attention to the actors or I should say, who they were. I liked the way the Civil War was presented.


35 posted on 09/17/2009 1:04:12 PM PDT by RC2
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To: LeonardFMason

Well, no, the European war was just one bunch of white European males (US, British, Russian) fighting another (German, Italian) so what’s the diff? Now the Pacific war was whites (US, Aussies, Zealanders) battling a minority, but it was Asians (The Only Minority It’s OK To Discriminate Against — tm), so that’s OK too.


36 posted on 09/17/2009 1:22:23 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: LeonardFMason

Wait, wait, just had a flash here — (warning: advanced post-liberal thought process engaged) — If only one side in a conflict is white, it’s obviously racist, right? So if BOTH sides are white, you’re correct, it’s TWICE as racist!


37 posted on 09/17/2009 1:25:36 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Still Thinking

“Well, no, the European war was just one bunch of white European males (US, British, Russian) fighting another (German, Italian) so what’s the diff? Now the Pacific war was whites (US, Aussies, Zealanders) battling a minority, but it was Asians (The Only Minority It’s OK To Discriminate Against — tm), so that’s OK too.”

You forgot the French. US, British, Russian fought Germans, Italians, and French(Vichy). There were thousands of British soldiers who fought and were held POW in the PTO.


38 posted on 09/17/2009 1:32:38 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: LeonardFMason
You forgot the French. US, British, Russian fought Germans, Italians, and French(Vichy).

The French don't count. Fighting the French is like playing badminton with Stephen Hawking.

There were thousands of British soldiers who fought and were held POW in the PTO.

I thought of that just after I hit post.

39 posted on 09/17/2009 1:54:16 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: NucSubs

I wasn’t talking about that parade in particular, just about the liberals way of thinking. Sheesh, Freepers are getting so quick to jump on every little thing people say. Quit looking for trouble where there isn’t any.


40 posted on 09/17/2009 4:09:51 PM PDT by beckysueb (Hey Obama, get out of Sarahs' house!)
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To: RC2
Thanks for the info.

I haven't seen that movie, but I have recently seen the movies Gettysburg and that one - Gods and Generals, in a low-priced double package.

Have you seen both, and if so, think they're worth buying?

41 posted on 09/18/2009 5:49:30 AM PDT by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: beckysueb
Shhesh, quit making statements that are not true then. It weakens your argument and makes us look like moonbats.

The Gay Pride flag is welcome but the Southern Pride flag is banned.

This was your statement.

Nothing in that statement implies that it was a hypothetical example of liberal tendencies. There was nothing there that made me think this was not the case. In fact, that is why I went to the article and re-read it and searched.

Next time make your points more clearly if you want to avoid be questioned.

And BTW, my 2nd point is valid as well - two wrongs do not make a right.

42 posted on 09/18/2009 6:28:47 AM PDT by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: DocH

There is a series of three. I haven’t seen the third one yet. Start with Gods and Generals, then Gettysburg, then the third one. I can’t remember the name of the third one but it’s on the DVD box. The movies are very well done. Long but worth the time. I think that what you have to do is forget the liberal actors that show up in the movie from time to time and watch the content.


43 posted on 09/18/2009 8:01:23 AM PDT by RC2
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