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Gun Rights 101: What exactly is an ‘illegal gun’ that 400 mayors are against?
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 3 September, 2009 | Dave Workman

Posted on 09/03/2009 7:51:23 PM PDT by marktwain

In May 2006, a small group of mayors, including ousted Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels, were invited to a “summit” in New York by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino to found Mayors Against Illegal Guns. The purported idea was to get so-called “illegal guns” off the streets; a lofty goal for sure, but might it not be a better idea to get criminals off the streets instead? Of course, removing a criminal element from society has never been the MAIG goal. This group, which now boasts more than 400 members claiming to represent 56 million American citizens – legions of whom are undoubtedly law-abiding gun owners who are steadfastly opposed to more gun control measures – is only focused on removing what it calls “illegal guns” from society. At the time, the Bellevue-based Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms correctly categorized this group as one more gun prohibitionist lobby. If this group was truly interested in solving crime without bothering law-abiding gun owners, its members would already be sitting down with gun rights organizations.

We're offering to take guns I guess off the street or from people who don't want them anymore. I'm calling it unwanted guns. And we're recycling them back into the community." Barry Bauer, Herb Bauer Sporting Goods

If Nickels had traveled across Lake Washington to visit with the CCRKBA and its sister organization, the Second Amendment Foundation, instead of rubbing elbows with the extremists at Washington CeaseFire and lobbying on behalf of their agenda, he might not have lost his job in last month’s mayoral primary. It may have even been a public relations coup. Instead, his rants against legally-carried firearms on public property and his threat to ban them by executive order despite state statute and state constitutional provisions against such a ban lost every critical vote from gun owners in his city. Instead of cooperating with the mayor on some truly beneficial enterprise, SAF and CCRKBA have been poised to sue Nickels the moment he inked such an order. All of that said, nobody has ever clearly defined what constitutes an “illegal gun.” Perhaps it is because there really is no such thing, and the MAIG ringleaders know it. A firearm may be illegally possessed by some criminal. It may have been illegally altered for some criminal enterprise. It may have been illegally purchased by someone who could legally buy a gun, on behalf of some scumbag who could not. But when that gun left the factory, it was a legally-manufactured, highly-regulated and carefully inspected product that worked exactly as it was designed to work. The firearm does not determine its own destiny. It is an inanimate object as incapable of breaking the law as a hammer used to bludgeon someone. MAIG has made a big deal out of partnering with Wal-Mart to prevent illegal gun sales, but the National Shooting Sports Foundation beat them to the draw with its highly acclaimed “Don’t Lie for the Other Guy” program. It claims to support “gun safety” measures, but the National Rifle Association already wrote the book on that subject, and has a nationwide network of firearms safety instructors whose services have never been enlisted by anti-gun metropolitan mayors.

Firearms will be taken with no questions asked, Chief Nick Kaiser said. The person turning in the weapon will receive a $150 gift certificate to Crossgates Mall.

MAIG supports so-called “gun buyback” programs, which are essentially fraudulent in that they subliminally suggest that the guns being collected by police departments were once owned by them or the government at large. Furthermore, these programs give the false impression that somehow violent crime will be reduced because people turn in a bunch of junk guns for money or gift certificates, “no questions asked.” Recently in Fresno, CA an enterprising gun store, Herb Bauer Sporting Goods, started its own gun buyback with one clever difference. Instead of destroying the guns, this shop “recycles” them back into the community by selling them to law-abiding citizens. MAIG says it does not want people illegally carrying guns. By the most phenomenal of coincidences, neither do the millions of law-abiding American gun owners. Trouble arises, however, with MAIG members like Nickels, who simply cannot acknowledge that citizens can legally carry guns every day, not only concealed, but openly, depending upon the jurisdiction. A gun carried legally is not an “illegal gun.” Bloomberg and his cohorts would like very broad latitude to determine who can and cannot own or carry a gun. Gun rights activists submit this authority is not really theirs; they cannot simply disarm citizens by fiat. They are mayors, not monarchs. That the leaders of this bunch would happily outlaw all guns does not make it so.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; culture; gun; mayors
Dave Workman hits this one out of the park. Go to the link. Examiners are paid by the number of hits they get on the link.
1 posted on 09/03/2009 7:51:23 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Gotta’ get those illegal tools off the strrets.

After this Bloomberg will go after illegal rakes, shovels, chain saws and torque wrenches.


2 posted on 09/03/2009 7:59:50 PM PDT by Iron Munro (You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat - Claire Wolfe)
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To: marktwain

There are no “illegal guns”. They’re “undocumented firearms”.


3 posted on 09/03/2009 8:01:38 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Iron Munro

Heck, let’s get illegal aliens off ofhe streets first, then we can concentrate on”illegal” guns!


4 posted on 09/03/2009 8:13:07 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: GrouchoTex

Ditto that!! There is no such thing as a illegal gun, only criminals illegally possessing them.


5 posted on 09/03/2009 8:14:43 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: tacticalogic

That’s tagline material. Thanks!


6 posted on 09/03/2009 8:15:14 PM PDT by bad company (There are no “illegal guns”. They’re “undocumented firearms”)
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To: Iron Munro

‘It is an inanimate object as incapable of breaking the law as a hammer used to bludgeon someone.’

I’m about to start an open-carry movement - with a hammer in the holster...

Dave Workman nails it, as usual. And a heckuva nice guy, to boot.


7 posted on 09/03/2009 8:16:40 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: marktwain
Recently in Fresno, CA an enterprising gun store, Herb Bauer Sporting Goods, started its own gun buyback with one clever difference. Instead of destroying the guns, this shop “recycles” them back into the community by selling them to law-abiding citizens.

Great idea, a gun store that buys used guns.

8 posted on 09/03/2009 8:19:36 PM PDT by muddler
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To: marktwain

I like the idea of recycling guns back into the hands of legal owners.


9 posted on 09/03/2009 8:20:46 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: tacticalogic

“There are no “illegal guns”. They’re “undocumented firearms”.”

just doing the work American guns won’t do...


10 posted on 09/03/2009 8:26:27 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: tacticalogic
There are no “illegal guns”. They’re “undocumented firearms”.


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11 posted on 09/03/2009 9:08:45 PM PDT by B-Cause (It's not what you gather, but what you scatter that tells what kind of life you have lived.)
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To: marktwain
We're offering to take guns I guess off the street or from people who don't want them anymore. I'm calling them homeless guns. And we're keenly interested in giving them loving homes." I like that way even better ;'}
12 posted on 09/03/2009 9:12:32 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: marktwain
Mayors are heads of cities- where liberals live, mostly. Which means most of them are liberals, do the math. Yeah, there are a lot of shootings and the costs associated with them in 'cities' where these 'leaders' rule the roost.

The bulk of these shootings are gang related and they know it, but prefer to blame it on 'guns' in general. That's like blaming your gas gauge every time you run out of gas because even though it was pointing to 'empty', you do nothing about it, and wind-up hoofing it to a gas station, again.

The Second Ammendment IS your gas gauge! There was a time when Americans ran at damn near full all the time.

Today, we're lucky to be at 1/8th tank on any given day, at any given time, and any given place- and that's including the cops. The badguys can drive life's highway picking off just about anyone they encounter, 'cause most are 'out of gas'.

What these idiot liberal mayors are suggesting as that more people be stranded by the side of the road.

The crime situation in this country will only continue to get worse until people are running on a half-tank or better, preferably 7/8ths or higher. That means some grandmas and some kids will have access to guns. So be it. What that spells is 'trouble' for the badguy who's bent on jacking strangers. For me, that spells 'just fine'. "Got a problem with that?" "Read the directions, read the second ammendment."

13 posted on 09/03/2009 9:19:29 PM PDT by budwiesest (All Sarah has to do is go out and be Sarah. The people will do the rest.)
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To: bamahead

bookmark


14 posted on 09/03/2009 10:12:28 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: bad company

Badco,
If you take the quote marks and apostrophe out of your tagline and retype them directly you will get rid of the extraneous symbols in your tagline. I don’t know exactly how that works but I had the same problem when I copied and pasted a tagline.


15 posted on 09/04/2009 4:09:35 AM PDT by magslinger (Inside every father is a Bryan Mills waiting to get out.)
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To: magslinger

Lets see how this works.


16 posted on 09/04/2009 7:44:39 AM PDT by bad company (There are no illegal guns, just undocumented firearms.)
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To: bad company

You can use the quote marks, you just have to type them in. If you cut and paste it adds those funny looking A’s.


17 posted on 09/04/2009 8:22:32 AM PDT by magslinger (Inside every father is a Bryan Mills waiting to get out.)
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To: budwiesest

The closer you are to the tallest buildings, the more likely that city is broke or going broke and run by libtards.


18 posted on 09/04/2009 10:57:59 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: o_zarkman44

I wonder...could I legally advertise my own “gun buyback program” in my local paper ...then keep them for myself?

I’m betting the gubmint would protest...


19 posted on 09/04/2009 11:06:45 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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