[Cronos]

the gentlemen of the West had to sally forth to trim back the worthy oriental gentlemen

cr*p. The Turks and arabs and Berbers were all part of the West until the advent of Mohound. And, the Chinese, Hindus, Thais, Vietnames, Philipinnos, Ethiopians, etc have been fighting the hordes ofislam for as long as Europe has.

To turn the tide, convert Iran -- bring them back to Zoroastrianism. Iran influences the rest of Central Asia and it's influence is felt as far as Egypt (cultural influence -- and since I said culture, that can't have anything to do with ezzlam)

[Kenny Bunk]

The Turks and Arabs and Berbers Chinese, Hindus, Thais, Vietnames, Philipinnos, Ethiopians, etc have been fighting the hordes ofislam for as long as Europe has.

Tell them to keep up the good work! Missed them sorely at Tours, Vienna, Lepanto, Mohacs, etc. But given the poor cellphone service at that time and in their areas, I forgive them completely. I do hope they will, in turn, forgive my Eurocentrism.