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O'Reilly 8-19-09: "If Jesus Was Here..."
www.moxnews.com ^ | 08-19-09 | via moxnews.com

Posted on 08/21/2009 5:50:32 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5HJszTnuQw

Sister Campbell: "We've got 47 million people that don't have access to health care."

BOR: "No they do, they walk into any emergency room in the country, they have access to health care FREE."

Sister Campbell: "Oh but then, please, please, then consider what that then does to those of us that have insurance, how it escalates OUR costs!"

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KEYWORDS: aclumia; antichrist; apostateandstate; catholic; churchandstate; deciver; godgap; health; obamacare; oreilly; religiousleft; wwjd
Health Care Morality

O'Reilly interviews Sister Simone Campbell, who immediately cites Benedict XVI saying that when the market fails govt must step in.

They then explore what Jesus would do or say here. BOR is all over the place, says the federal govt should provide free health care clinics for the poor in every possible county.

But he says "...but if the country goes bankrupt in the process, which might happen, more people will be harmed, including the poor."

At 3:08 it gets ridiculous. Sister Campbell totally mauls the commandment against lying. "We've got 47 million people that don't have access to health care."

BOR: "No they do, they walk into any emergency room in the country, they have access to health care FREE."

Non sequitur Campbell: "Oh but then, please, please, then consider what that then does to those of us that have insurance, how it escalates OUR costs!"

What on earth does she think will happen if the govt gives these "47 million" all the free health care their hearts desire? That won't escalate her costs?

Well, it sounds like what she wants is to "distribute," i.e. shift, those costs from her business to everyone else's.

"I run a small business...and paying for health insurance for our employees is getting more and more difficult! We've got to find a way to rein in costs and not distribute -- [she catches herself here] -- not inappropriately use..."

Unfortunately BOR cut her off just as she was stepping in a deep pile. Distributing costs is exactly what she wants. He brought her on to tell us that morality requires us to provide health care to the poor, but she ends up calling for shifting her business burden onto the taxpayers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5HJszTnuQw

1 posted on 08/21/2009 5:50:33 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Rules for Radicals

4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity”


2 posted on 08/21/2009 5:56:20 AM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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To: y6162

The health care market hasn’t failed. Letting illegals go to emergency rooms and getting free health care is like allowing the shoplifters go unmolested at the grocery store and having the government step in the name of food for all.


3 posted on 08/21/2009 5:59:46 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Didn’t Obama declare sometime in the recent past that America was not a Christian nation? I find it amusing that he is now turning to spiritual leaders in the US to promote his health care reform on ‘moral’ grounds.


4 posted on 08/21/2009 6:00:43 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Regarding that silly “If Jesus (were) here...” nonsense—

***sigh*** If Jesus were here, He’d say “repent and put your faith in Me, otherwise perish.” Just like He was saying when He was here. He didn’t handle the inequities or persecutions of the Romans against the Jews while He was here. That was not His purpose and wouldn’t be if He came the first time today.

And if Jesus were here today, He’d be ruling with a rod of iron just as described in the Book of Revelation.


5 posted on 08/21/2009 6:08:10 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

The best quote I’ve heard on this”
Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s
Render unto God what is God’s
But never make Ceasar into a God. (Thou shalt not commit idolatry)
Only a ‘Progressive’ would take a virtue (charity) and turn it into a ‘right’!


6 posted on 08/21/2009 6:14:37 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: WKUHilltopper

For those liberals who advocate the government forcibly take money from you for charitable acts, I have two questions:

May I deduct the % of my taxes I pay which go toward what you consider charitable government acts? I can deduct donations to the charities of MY choice (at least, for now), then why can’t I deduct donations from the charities of YOUR choice?


7 posted on 08/21/2009 6:21:45 AM PDT by randita (Chains we can bereave in.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

If Jesus were here today, he’d probably want people to stop putting words in his mouth.


8 posted on 08/21/2009 6:24:48 AM PDT by RAO1125 (Neoconservatism:Failed. Socialism:Failing (again). Next up: Libertarianism)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Sister Campbell: “We’ve got 47 million people that don’t have access to health care.”

BOR: “No they do, they walk into any emergency room in the country, they have access to health care FREE.”

Sister Campbell: “Oh but then, please, please, then consider what that then does to those of us that have insurance, how it escalates OUR costs!”

~~RIGHT THERE!!! THAT is the crux of it!

So, Sister C., the uninsured ARE escalating OUR costs now??? So, how does it make ANY sense to FORCE us into a NEW government healthcare system where we’ll pay even MORE???

These people have NOOOOO brains!


9 posted on 08/21/2009 6:34:28 AM PDT by J40000
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
O'Reilly interviews Sister Simone Campbell, who immediately cites Benedict XVI saying that when the market fails govt must step in.

Ping for later

10 posted on 08/21/2009 6:35:17 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (One man, alone! Betrayed by the country he loves, now its last hope in their final hour of need!)
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To: J40000

...And if Jesus WERE here today, he’d be throwing up.

At the risk of sounding like Seymour, It is DISPICABLE how these socialists clowns use God and Jesus ONLY when they have NO other alternative to ram their garbage down the throats of most of America.

At ANY other time, the names Jesus and God are offenses that need to be scorned, ridiculed and punished if used in public according to them.

Their day to answer for this will come soon enough.


11 posted on 08/21/2009 6:39:25 AM PDT by J40000
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

How far the intelligence of nuns has fallen! This one wouldn’t be fit to sweep the convent compared to the nuns that taught me.


12 posted on 08/21/2009 6:41:35 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: J40000

Exactly!
And yes, these people have no brains.


13 posted on 08/21/2009 6:43:01 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: NTHockey
This one wouldn’t be fit to sweep the convent compared to the nuns that taught me.

She certainly wouldn't! The long beads around her neck could tangle the broomstick. When did nuns start wearing necklaces?

14 posted on 08/21/2009 6:46:54 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Ah, this nun is crazy. Where in the Bible does Jesus say its societies responsibility to take care of people?


15 posted on 08/21/2009 6:47:17 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: randita

“May I deduct the % of my taxes I pay which go toward what you consider charitable government acts? I can deduct donations to the charities of MY choice (at least, for now), then why can’t I deduct donations from the charities of YOUR choice?”

Obama will probably nix all deductions to charity so you won’t be able to deduct anything.


16 posted on 08/21/2009 6:48:20 AM PDT by imskylark (To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society. -Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: rintense
Where in the Bible does Jesus say its societies responsibility to take care of people?

Beats me. I'm Catholic, and my understanding is that Jesus calls each of us individually, addresses each of us personally. And if I'm not mistaken, that's also the Protestant take on it.

17 posted on 08/21/2009 6:51:38 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: RAO1125

He is the Word. And that Word is the Scriptures. No one puts Words in the Words of Christ.


18 posted on 08/21/2009 6:58:00 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: Alex Murphy
O'Reilly interviews Sister Simone Campbell, who immediately cites Benedict XVI saying that when the market fails govt must step in.

She cites him out of context like any other opportunist.

19 posted on 08/21/2009 6:58:15 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: WKUHilltopper

I thought the bird was the word? Don’t you know about the bird? Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word!


20 posted on 08/21/2009 7:02:32 AM PDT by RAO1125 (Neoconservatism:Failed. Socialism:Failing (again). Next up: Libertarianism)
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To: griswold3

“Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s
Render unto God what is God’s
But never make Ceasar into a God. (Thou shalt not commit idolatry)
Only a ‘Progressive’ would take a virtue (charity) and turn it into a ‘right’!”

We have a WINNER!


21 posted on 08/21/2009 7:04:34 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Hey Sister, the market failed because the gov’t caused the failure!

Get thee to a nunnery go!!


22 posted on 08/21/2009 7:05:57 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: RAO1125

So hilarious...


23 posted on 08/21/2009 7:08:30 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

“Where in the Bible does Jesus say its societies “responsibility to take care of people?”

Everyone is missing the point and it has to start being stated!!! WE DO TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE! Every person who works is working for the government until September of every year. We give “donations” with every pay check earned. It is time that the “UNINSURED” starts asking their government what they are doing with the money we give them. If they managed our money with respect, they wouldn’t have to ask for more.


24 posted on 08/21/2009 7:11:18 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

This is exactly how Christian Socialists are born- injecting their personal political/societal views into scripture. UGH.


25 posted on 08/21/2009 7:11:40 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Thank you, I try.


26 posted on 08/21/2009 7:15:23 AM PDT by RAO1125 (Neoconservatism:Failed. Socialism:Failing (again). Next up: Libertarianism)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
I'm Catholic, and my understanding is that Jesus calls each of us individually, addresses each of us personally. And if I'm not mistaken, that's also the Protestant take on it.

It is for the sola scriptura ones, anyway.

27 posted on 08/21/2009 7:19:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (One man, alone! Betrayed by the country he loves, now its last hope in their final hour of need!)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

It all goes back to what my High School Government teacher said, “Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas, Liberals think Conservative are bad people”.


28 posted on 08/21/2009 7:24:16 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
Jesus wants us to give willingly and in secret. If there were free clinics that served the poor and supported by charity, then a Christian could make an anonomous donation and earn an eternal reward.

However, with Obamacare, that same person could have the same amount taken from his paycheck and used to support the uninsured/poor. He may still believe in the cause, but because he did not give voluntarily and in secret, he will not earn an eternal reward.

Conclusion: Obama is costing us our eternal reward.

29 posted on 08/21/2009 7:53:25 AM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
This is what some people in liberal denominations fail to understand, namely, that the government is not governed by the church nor the gospel. The US government was NEVER intended to be a nanny state. The Founding Fathers purposely created a limited federal government. If individuals wish to create charities or a community chest, they are free to do so.
30 posted on 08/21/2009 8:28:42 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

There is no charity in forced taxation.

Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar. Your own obligation to your fellow man is apart from any government program.


31 posted on 08/21/2009 9:52:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barry Falsewitness is proud of his "healthy skepticism" of organized religion. He's a deceiver.)
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To: Last Dakotan

The leftist mantra is that Republicans are “mean” because they don’t share “enough”.

However, Democrats are evil because they are dead set in their socialist agenda yet they deny deny deny their goals and smear smear smear the opposition.

The days of true debate on the issues right & left are over. The Left is intellectually dishonest (they lie) and they won’t ever concede to a superior argument.


32 posted on 08/21/2009 9:55:54 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barry Falsewitness is proud of his "healthy skepticism" of organized religion. He's a deceiver.)
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To: Nosterrex

Obama is now citing Jesus in commanding us to pay taxes for socialized medicine.

Do non-Christians also have to pay this tax?

He’s clearly acting in an unconstitutional manner.


33 posted on 08/21/2009 9:57:32 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barry Falsewitness is proud of his "healthy skepticism" of organized religion. He's a deceiver.)
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To: Nosterrex
If individuals wish to create charities or a community chest, they are free to do so and they are free to spend all of their money supporting whoever they want, but they are NOT free to forceably take any of my money.
34 posted on 08/21/2009 10:01:08 AM PDT by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of history will repeat, repeat and repeat.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Did Jesus expect the Roman Empire to provide free health care to all subjects of Rome, or just Roman citizens? (sarc)


35 posted on 08/21/2009 11:08:19 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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