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ICONOGRAPHY: Why conservatives need it to win [fascinating video]
Pajamas Media TV ^ | 8/19/09 | Bill Whittle

Posted on 08/18/2009 6:28:26 AM PDT by Timeout

RIDICULE is the best weapon against narcissists like Obama. This video is pitch perfect.

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KEYWORDS: bho44; billwhittle; iconography; obama; pjtv; whittle

1 posted on 08/18/2009 6:28:26 AM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout

This is very good. Linked at top.


2 posted on 08/18/2009 6:38:55 AM PDT by bboop (Tar and feathers -- good back then, good now)
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To: bboop

Ordinarily I wouldn’t have taken the time to watch it.
It was the “LOL” poster that drew me in.

IOW, it was the iconography that got me to listen to the message!

ARE YOU LISTENING, GOP?!


3 posted on 08/18/2009 6:42:06 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: Timeout

Interesting.......


4 posted on 08/18/2009 6:48:16 AM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Timeout

Where can we get this for a bumper sticker. I have never placed a bumper sticker in my life....but I would put this one on my car and my pickup.


5 posted on 08/18/2009 6:51:37 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Timeout
evoking a subconscious emotional response is intellectual fraud.

When you respect and honor an individual -- a bedrock conservative principle -- you don't try to pick his emotional pocket. You engage him in charity and truth.

Talk about a strategy for "rinos." As if image really were everything, conservatives jump on the icon bandwagon 20 years after the left did; the left which has perfected it and moved on to its logical successor: outright fraud, legal subterfuge and coercion.

6 posted on 08/18/2009 6:53:24 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: Timeout

This is one of the few 8-minute videos worth watching. He is dead on. But I like my “OOPS” bumpersticker better, with the zer0.


7 posted on 08/18/2009 6:59:36 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Timeout

‘ROFL!’ would be better than ‘LOL’


8 posted on 08/18/2009 7:04:10 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Oh, for pete’s sake.

The whole point is that the left has made the ICON itself their ultimate principle.

There’s a snowball’s chance of herding a bunch of conservatives to follow an icon. THE POINT OF THE ICON is simply to draw people in long enough for them to hear our message. If all they get is MediaCrats and the DNC, then why should we be surprised when they don’t “get” conservatism.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 7:14:07 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: LS
Totally agree with you. The video is excellent, but the OOPS is a much better logo for the counter-movement.
10 posted on 08/18/2009 7:16:20 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: Timeout

11 posted on 08/18/2009 7:19:58 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Dudoight

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/lol+obama+gifts

But I like the ROFLMAO with both O’s being the 0bama logo better.


12 posted on 08/18/2009 7:27:09 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: Timeout

Bill Whittle worth reading and watching, period.


13 posted on 08/18/2009 7:37:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

It seems a lot of people here don’t understand satire.

Do we want to engage in intellecutal arguents (yes, becase intellectually we’re right.) It’s the left that wants to deal in imaage instead of substance. So how do you counter that?

Make fun of their images. When you do that you knock the legs out from under their “arguments” (which are really just feel-good symbols) and force them to defend their positons logically (which is our strong point.)

The left creates posters and logos for their politicians because it makes them larger than life. Ridiculing them brings the person down to earth.

Satire is a powerful weapon to bring the “mighty” down to earth.


14 posted on 08/18/2009 8:01:21 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Film everything and put it on YouTube.)
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To: Timeout

15 posted on 08/18/2009 8:08:26 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: xcamel

LOVE it. Do you have any of those?


16 posted on 08/18/2009 8:35:05 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: xcamel

Excellent.....I agree!

‘ROFL!’ would be better than ‘LOL’


17 posted on 08/18/2009 8:41:50 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: xcamel

Could you make one that says:

SLOW DOWN !

with the Obama O’s?


18 posted on 08/18/2009 8:43:45 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: Timeout

Same company as the ‘lol’ sticker


19 posted on 08/18/2009 8:44:31 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Timeout

Wow. I am trying to get ready for work, but I must say that was masterful. Glad I watched it, LOL. Now I keep imagining that Obambi logo in every three-letter combo!


20 posted on 08/18/2009 8:54:48 AM PDT by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: Timeout

Good video, BTTT


21 posted on 08/18/2009 9:15:46 AM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: Timeout; the invisib1e hand; LS
evoking a subconscious emotional response is intellectual fraud.

When you respect and honor an individual -- a bedrock conservative principle -- you don't try to pick his emotional pocket. You engage him in charity and truth.

Talk about a strategy for "rinos." As if image really were everything, conservatives jump on the icon bandwagon 20 years after the left did; the left which has perfected it and moved on to its logical successor: outright fraud, legal subterfuge and coercion.

Oh, for pete’s sake.

The whole point is that the left has made the ICON itself their ultimate principle.

There’s a snowball’s chance of herding a bunch of conservatives to follow an icon. THE POINT OF THE ICON is simply to draw people in long enough for them to hear our message. If all they get is MediaCrats and the DNC, then why should we be surprised when they don’t “get” conservatism.

Iconography is one thing; Newspeak is another.

At the start of the Twentieth Century the term "liberal" meant the same in America as it still does in the rest of the world - essentially, what is called "conservatism" in American Newspeak. Of course we "American Conservatives" are not the ones who oppose development and liberty, so in that sense we are not conservative at all. We actually are liberals.

But in America, "liberalism" was given its American Newspeak - essentially inverted - meaning in the 1920s (source: Safire's New Political Dictionary). The fact that the American socialists have acquired a word to exploit is bad enough; the real disaster is that we do not now have a word which truly descriptive of our own political perspective. We only have the smear words which the socialists have assigned to us. And make no mistake, in America "conservative" is inherently a negative connotation just as surely as marketers love to boldly proclaim that the product which they are flogging is NEW!

"Liberals" want to be called "progressive." Yet price controls on medicine/medical services - price controls on anything inherently stop progress in the development of quality in that thing. The government could even stop the progress in the development of computer chips by setting the price for them low enough. And "liberals" might be stupid enough to do it! They actually subvert the predicates of progress.

"Liberals" have aggressively latched onto another word which we as truly liberal and progressive people should own - "society." As "liberals" use the term, "society" is a synonym - actually a euphemism for - government. But of course, that could only be true in the absence of freedom. Society is the people - and the government, pace the socialist, is not.


22 posted on 08/18/2009 9:34:41 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: All

also these (some are really good)
http://www.zazzle.com.au/moewampum/antiobama+gifts?ps=15


23 posted on 08/18/2009 9:50:57 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Brookhaven
It seems a lot of people here don’t understand satire.

i don't think the proposition was satire.

24 posted on 08/18/2009 4:05:43 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: Timeout
L0L
25 posted on 08/19/2009 3:07:19 AM PDT by StACase (Global Warming is CRAP!)
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To: the invisib1e hand; Brookhaven

If you mean the proposition in the video, of course it isn’t satire. It’s called “advertising”.

The point is NOT to boil your principles down to a bumper sticker. It’s to attract someone who might not have become curious about your principles without an attention-getter.

Obviously, “LOL” or “OOps” aren’t a political philosophy. It’s WITTY and EYE CATCHING. It says in just three letters: Obama’s not what you thought you were getting”.

And it says so much more. Obama opponents aren’t those stick-in-the-muds depicted on Comedy Central. And-—something’s changed; all of a sudden it’s OK to make fun of Obamamania. And so on.

It’s BRILLIANT!

The intent is to get the viewer to question his assumptions. Get him curious about this movement that dares laugh at the Most Exalted President Ever! We know that, once we get him curious, our principles will win him over.

But we’ve got to get his attention first.


26 posted on 08/19/2009 3:50:31 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

have you seen this?

You’ll love it.


27 posted on 08/19/2009 3:51:18 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: kristinn

Some great ideas for D.C. protest signs.

During the Florida recount, mocking HUMOR worked wonders for us. We could use a little of that right now.


28 posted on 08/19/2009 3:55:43 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: Timeout
Having spent decades in and around hollyweird and the left I can tell you two things: 1) The things in this video are true 2) the concepts in this video work.

Repubs and conservatives need to pay attention to what is called “production value.” It goes way beyond just making things look nice and professional. Every well “produced” venue and event tells a story that supports, confirms and extends the story and the themes that you want to have the audience leave with. Without it you are amateur at best.

A perfect FAIL example is from Newt Gingrich who had incredibly good ideas with American Solutions and then presented it to the world with such poor production values that it looked like we were watching a garage sale hosted by incompetent homeless people.

American Solutions never garnered any respect despite the intellectual validity of the enterprise. Handled correctly - well produced - it could have driven the republican party to victory but it failed. Miserably. Who could take that trash seriously? Did you?

Conservatives have mocked the left’s reliance on “hollywood” for their message but, as we see with zer0, that well produced message is extremely effective even when the product itself is flawed.

We need both the conservative message and the highest quality production values we can achieve IMO.

29 posted on 08/19/2009 4:33:38 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: paulycy

This was no accident. Mike Deaver was a smarmy little drunk but he was a genius whose job was to place Reagan in front of backdrops that enhanced the visual effect.

30 posted on 08/19/2009 5:08:27 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Good example.

Was it manipulation? Maybe.

But it only works if there’s an honest message to back it up.


31 posted on 08/19/2009 5:15:47 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
This was no accident.

I agree totally. Reagan knew what the heck he was doing on many, many levels. He also had hollywood experience and understood how to tell a story verbally and visually.

Now think about both Bushes. Can you think of a single visually striking moment besides the "Mission Accomplished" banner debacle? There was one, when W was on the pile of 9/11 rubble with the megaphone. But that wasn't staged. That was powerful visually and happened also to be impromptu. And John McCain? Pathetic. The whole republican bunch were frumpy losers, except for Romney who was plastic. 0bama was really exceptional in this way. He had it all. Message and production values. Well, everything except that whole honesty and integrity thing, you know.

32 posted on 08/19/2009 5:16:00 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: paulycy

Obama overstepped a bit with the whole temple thing in Denver but it was forgiven and forgotten.


33 posted on 08/19/2009 5:23:17 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Obama overstepped a bit with the whole temple thing in Denver but it was forgiven and forgotten.

True. And funny, at the time. :0)

34 posted on 08/19/2009 5:27:01 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: Timeout

I saw it this morning. “LOL!” I love it!


35 posted on 08/19/2009 5:52:56 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (no more "till death do us part" public workers!)
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To: paulycy
Conservatives have mocked the left’s reliance on “hollywood” for their message but, as we see with zer0, that well produced message is extremely effective...

Extremely effective....ESPECIALLY when the public is starving for it. I've never seen an environment so ripe for the right political message...even exceeding the '94 Contract with America.

The Dems have left the door wide open for a well-produced, time-released campaign built around fear of government ineptitude, bankrupting the country, and rationing of care. All that balanced with the conservative message of fiscal responsibility, individualism, and limits of government power. It would be so easy to permanently paint Obama and the Dems as Lords dictating to the serfs.***

Use themes built around: "Do they work for us? Or do we work for them?". And it's not just health care. Start talking about those outrageous public pension plans and "members-only" privileges like private jets and manned-elevators. Elitism is their weak link. Populism is now the GOP's for the taking---if they will grab it.

But---as you pointed out with Newt---the message is only effective if the production value captures attention.

If the GOP doesn't use this Fall to capture a ready-made audience, then I think it will be the end of them. To waste this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity would be a failure of epic proportions.

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***Hmmm. Perhaps one line of commercials depicts a Middle Ages or Colonial Era theme: ordinary Americans are hard-working "subjects" suffering the Lords of the Manor who declare what the serfs are allowed to do/not do---even live or die. And the Lords tax away their productivity with an attitude that it all belongs to them; THEY will decide what the serfs get to keep. Then spend the people's wealth on the ruling class' expensive and exclusive privileges or give trinkets to their loyal entourage. The Lords are always shown looking down their disdainful, dainty noses at the peasants' complaints about the heavy boot on their necks.

Over time, out of the oppressed masses, a William Wallace-like hero emerges: FREEDOM! I think it works.

36 posted on 08/19/2009 6:03:11 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: Timeout
If the GOP doesn't use this Fall to capture a ready-made audience, then I think it will be the end of them. To waste this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity would be a failure of epic proportions.

This is so very true. We will have to wait and see if a Republican (or better yet, conservative) group takes this ball and plays it for what it's worth.

Of course, this takes lots of time and lots of money and lots of consistent follow through. Again, zer0 did this very well. He's still trying to do it now that he's won and the real people see the fraud that he and his campaign message constitute.

He can't govern. We can. But we have to get elected and to do that we must act like devoted professionals and adults beginning yesterday. I don't see either dedication or professionalism in the pubbie leadership with one exception, but she has her own battles to fight right now.

Since I'm not personally able to do it myself I can just FReep and hope that some true conservative leadership shows up pretty d@mn soon.

37 posted on 08/19/2009 6:10:56 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: paulycy

Remember the quaint “old days” when a White House was expected to conduct only official government business? Partisan politics was handled by their party headquarters.

Now they run political campaigns straight out of the WH and every other gov’t department. Using our money in the process.


38 posted on 08/19/2009 6:15:09 AM PDT by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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