Posted on 08/09/2009 9:36:43 PM PDT by elazarus
In a very orderly discussion of the Health care issue on Saturday 8/8/2009 Congressman Doggett was asked about mandating all Congressmen, Senators, government workers and the President to be required to use the same health plan as the American Public.
His committee has studied health care for 2 years but says that such provisions are not part of the overall plan.
Both sides of the healthcare reform issue cheered when this was brought up to the Congressman.
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EFFIFN A !!!! That is my standard...whoever wants whatever, every pol and government worker is in the same boat I/we am. If not, the gloves are off, piss off.
Because the proponents for healthcare reform are not leaders. I know a couple of rank and file Dems who believe in healthcare reform who would enroll in the system. Atleast I will respect their example, but their party politicians refuse to enroll in such a system. That is a red flag, no different from a restuarant owner who refuses to eat at his own establishment. Imagine how the tone of the debate would change if Obama, his cabinet/staff and the Dem Congress/Senate are willing to enroll in the system they propose.
They won’t...they see themselves as above the normal peons.
The civil service unions would shreek in agony.
Can you imagine Pelosi waiting in line for a checkup?
If they did, they would find someway to weasel out in the dead of night. I simploy don’t trust them.
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Hoping the bill can be made to include president, congress etc is not the samething as saying you wont vote for a bill that does not include this.
In Canada...the elected “officials” find ways to get put to the FRONT of the line....I lived there for awhile, and it was quite the controversy when it was reported.
Shriek.
Even knowing the fact that they wouldn't really be rationed like we will be, they still won't risk it. It says a lot about the difference between the royalty and the serfs.
During a recent Hannity town meeting a congressman state his old private health insurance was better than the one currently provided to congress. I find it hard to believe.
How do the elite ruling class in Canada and the UK get their healthcare?
Depends. I do know that the Federal Blue Cross-Blue Shield Plan is better than my State Blue Cross, Blue Shield. However, now that I am past 65, I must be on Medicare and keep Federal Blue Cross-Blue Shield as a secondary policy.
Just the elected officials ~ they should also be placed on “experimental subject” lists. Be good for ‘em.
At that point they will be moved into the "government system".
Now what's a "life change? Well, that's marriage, divorce, relocation to take a different job (within the government), but in a place not covered by your current plan.
In short, the "exception" for government employees and retirees is TOTAL BS.
"Let's demonstrate leadership -- and confidence in the system -- by requiring that every member of Congress go into it," Mr. Coburn told his colleagues as they were marking up the health care proposal championed by Senator Ted Kennedy. His idea wasn't exactly greeted warmly by many public plan supporters. Senator Jeff Bingaman, a New Mexico Democrat, responded: "I don't know why we should require ourselves to participate in a plan that no one else needs to participate in. This bill goes to great lengths to show that the choice is there for everybody."
By a 12 to 11 margin, the Senate Health Committee agreed. Senator Chris Dodd, the committee's acting chairman, and Senator Kennedy were absent from the committee but sent in proxy votes in favor. Maryland Senator Barbara Mikulski was the only other Democrat to back the measure. Every Republican save for New Hampshire's Judd Gregg voted in favor of the Coburn mandate.
Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) introduced a bill Monday that urges members of Congress who vote to create a government-run health insurance agency to give up their own comprehensive health insurance plans to join the new the public option they advocate for others.
The bill, H. Res. 615, says members of Congress who vote for a government-run health care bureau should become the inaugural customers of government-run health-care.
Did the King and Queen in days of old have the same medical care as their subjects?
Of course not.
The President and Congress are America’s royalty. They deserve the best health care the taxpayers money can buy for them.
I'm gonna say this, and it prolly won't make any difference, but here goes: This is a totally dumb argument that our side should forget.Why? Because, they might acquire sense enough to go along with it, and then they can say we met your demands, let's pass this pig now. Will it ever happen that way, that the Senators and Reps, and bureaucrats, and President recieve identical care to Joe Plumber? I think not, even if they are under the "same" plan. Trust me, it won't BE the same plan for them.....this is a stupid argument.
The Rats might put the provision in then snip it out at the last minute and Obama would sign with a smirk.
I don’t think there is ANY integrity left in the Rat part of Congress anymore.
Couldn't disagree more. It should be an absolute requirement prior to even considering the bill. To rationalize anything different is stupid
Exactly, and that is the sort of question that the politicians do not want people to ask. Obama and Pelosi want to paint the people at these town meetings as extremists. O and P don't want people to know what's in the health-control bill. Everybody needs to keep asking good questions like this.
Don’t you understand that they write the laws? Whatever deathcare plan that they enact will treat the politicians differently, even if it’s supposed to include them. I think that they are even exempt from social security, although they have a better retirement plan. Trust me, they will get Cadillac service, while we get the yugo plan.
I'm trying to see the downside to that and failing. Please enlighten me brother/sister FReeper.
I'm not opposed to real reform - I remember when doctors used to make house calls. The system is not totally broken, it's just not what it could be/used to be. This Health Care "Reform" bill is every bit as much reform as the "Patriot" Act was patriotic.
Ah ... I love the smell of government corruption in the morning.
Good point. It's really a pity we did not give more teeth to the "politicians must live under the same set of rules that we do" plank of the Contract with America when we had the chance.
Does Newt Gingrich really think anyone is ever going to trust him again?
I don't. I'm in my 5th decade of living in the US, at least some of the time, and the one thing I'm sure of is, never ever misunderestimate the US private sector for its resourcefulness. (When it is given a chance).
I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree with you on this, sir. We're a Republic, not a monarchy or an empire.
It's not stupid, just a tad short sighted, maybe.
Face it people, there's just no way a one-size-fits-all plan works unless the PTBs are under the same rules as the rest of us.
My own response is to run away (not that I have much choice, sigh), fast and keep my children far away from the US. That is sad.
Congressman, we caught you with your pants down, your sucker.
Yep! I lived there throughout the '90s. I argued with a service member when I said Canada has a two-tier health system. His stance was ONE tier. Then I reminded him about the politicians and movie personalities and athletes and other "special" people who did not get the same treatment or handling of the ordinary citizen. I also reminded him of the wealthy who came to America for their health care. The wealthy and elite have one tier and the ordinary joe six pack another. That is "two-tier".
His response was, "Touche!"
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My post was sarcasm.
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Our “representatives” on a whole are too old and would die with 0bamadeathcare.
They should at least be subject to the End of Life provisions in the bill before they vote for it to affect others.
Understand I am not giving Democrats an excuse, the out, but I believe the majority of Republicans currently in the House and Senate stood for election in 1994, ALL Republicans running for election that year were signatories to the Contract With America. The very first reform in the Contract:
FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
Any Republican who votes yea on whatever health care bill is presented, he must be hounded by his own constituents to be the first in line to sign on to the plan, not afford himself of the waiver provided to Members of Congress. These people should be targeted at the townhalls, not just Democrats, as they have already pledged, contracted with Us, the American People, that they would live under the laws they pass on us. It's long past time to seriously hold their feet to the fire.
Of course not.
The President and Congress are America’s royalty. They deserve the best health care the taxpayers money can buy for them.
You're close in your analogy -- the king had his own personal physician, currently, so does the sitting U.S. president. The nobility had the highest quality physicians, treatment, provided to them, as everything else they had, wore, ate, etc., by the serfs, just as MOC's are provided their benefits by virtue of the sweat of the brow of the citizenry.
The only difference, then the serfs were lucky if they got the attention of the local barber, we citizens still have the opportunity to provide quality care for ourselves, it is available to us to access. This will not be the case when/if this bill passes, at some point, the access to quality health care for the citizen will no longer exist ...
... and we know it, that is what the furor is all about. We fought a war to dissolve our allegiance to that system, our Founders knew firsthand the unfairness, to put it mildly, far too many of us understand, really, what the revolution was all about.
Well, as a retired federal employee, I would be doubly screwed. If i were forced into the public option, I probably would see my costs for a secondary policy double. What bothers me is that My son, who is self-employed will be paying for the public plan as much as he is today. Those people are the ones getting the shaft but the liberals don’t care about them. The self-employed and small business will be the milk-cows for the “poor”’ health care.
It doesn’t help that our elected king is making no secret of enjoying living so high on the hog. He is noveau-riche personified, he and his vulgar wife.
A little off the sides and remove that growth on my leg.
And then one day we traded dollars for Ostmarks in a lavaratory (quite illegally) at a 14:1 rate, and suddenly we were among the richest in all East Berlin. We went HERE...
The TeleCafe, the gorgeous rotating restaurant at the top of the huge telecom tower. There, where only party members could dine, we saw riches people on the ground could only dream of...caviar, French Champagne, lobster, New York Strip steak. And so we chowed down and partied up...until we started getting a few too many stares to be comfortable. So we departed, back to the masses below, eating borscht, sitting in silence, glancing at the doors every so often, as if they were about to be kicked open by the Stasi.
All I could think about the rest of my trip was the party members, laughing and partying, groping hot women and drinking expensive Western booze. For a young college student it really stamped upon my soul the evil lie that is Socialism. And how those who rule under the leftist "utopia" have far different rules for themselves than for the masses they rule. The same kind of masses that Lloyd Doggett cynically lies to, preserving for himself and the other leftists in Congress superior healthcare while leaving the rest of us with the very worst care, befitting our Serfdom.
When I left East Berlin I was forever a Conservative.
If I have to hear him say, "I'm the president" one more time! All right, enough already, WE KNOW. Maybe he needs to see one of the mental health folks that Tipper Gore was pushing during HillaryCare, the way he needs to remind himself all the time, sheesh.
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