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To: Captain Kirk
In his battles with the academic left, I am sure that Silverglate has heard that line many, many times. That line is very popular with the PC types on campus when they try to justify speech codes.

So, once again, using your 'logic', do I have a right to argue loudly with my wife in the front yard at midnight? And to ignore the requests of cops to knock it off or take it inside so it won't disturb the neighbors?

You insist on ignoring that key aspect of the situation. Which tells me you are being dishonest in your approach here - it was NOT about Gates being rude to the cops, it was about the manner in which Gates was doing such, and that Gates was warned twice to chill out.

55 posted on 07/30/2009 7:07:32 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

If, after Crowledy had simply shook his head and drove away, this sixty year old harmless man with a cane, had stood on his front lawn and shouted at the top of his lungs to the whole neighborhood, you might have a point. There is no evidence that was even likely. Crowley was typical. He arrested Gates not because of his race but because he argued. Youtube is filled with examples, People on FR has complained about this in the past, such as when it happened to a 62 year old grandmother.


59 posted on 07/30/2009 7:11:30 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: dirtboy

I think the author’s approach of basing much of his analysis of the issue on constitutional grounds is faulty.

Before we ever get to the Constitution we should look at the law. After the law then the governing State Constitution and possibly the Federal Constitution.

However, prior to that entire legal analysis, most of us want to begin analysis of conduct based upon common sense, civility, commom manners in public conduct and other issues of ethics and morality.

We have an officer of the law and public safety operating within that capacity and by a set of rules related to that conduct.

We then also have a resident acting in a capacity outside that of a normal home owner. He chose instead to act in his capacity and persona as a racial ethicist, professor and possibly an agitator.

There is no way for the officer to know that Gates was improperly operating outside his role of a normal courteous resident and make adjustments for it. He wasn’t encountering Gates during a lecture or public appearance where he could make reasonable adjustments for how to deal with him as an activist of whatever validity. He was instead encountering him in the capacity of a person at the scene of a possible crime.

This attitude of thinking of everything in terms of constitutional rights, or rights in general, first, leads only to a battle of rights when convention, common sense, civility, common law and statute law should all be called upon in thinking, conduct and analysis, and called upon in that proper order first, before the rules of laws governing conduct ever get analyzed in light of the State or Federal Constitution.

Leftists in favor of revolutionalry change to collectivism love for all issues to be reduced to issues of a battle of rights. As T. Sowell points out, this preference is because they know that in that battle, when it is conducted in the public perception, they can always win by pitting rights held by many against rights held by a lone individual. They can get emotion, empathy, nebulous concepts of fairness and history all to play a part in the debate. In doing so they are able to skip past all issues of convention, morality, commonsense, accepted standards of public conduct, common law and local law and leave everything to a leftist centralizing list of priorities.


199 posted on 07/30/2009 9:18:03 AM PDT by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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