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To: milwguy
Does a person have a civil duty to be polite to a judge?

I would argue that you are within the judges courtroom, his authority there rules. When you are on my property I am in charge. If I want to shout Praise Jesus! at the top of my lungs or Police are Facists! or Long Live the Second Ammendment! I have that right.

Try acting the fool like Gates in front of a judge and see what happens.

We can't just allow people to act like a fool now can we? No, sir. They might get funny ideas about freedom then.

I could care less if Gates was in his house or not,

Well, not everybody feels the way you do. I know, for my part, it matters to me immensely whether I am in my own castle or not. If I am in my own home I tend to think I have a certain amount of lassitude in the things I do and what I say. Maybe in your house it is different- fair enough. I don't like the idea of the government being able to incite you on your own property and then arrest you for that incitement.

And we can keep this in context. It wasn't a traffic stop. It wasn't even a criminal investigation by the time the officer decided to arrest Gates because he had already determined that there was no criminal activity taking place.

I believe, and it's maybe just silliness on my part, but I was raised to believe that a person has a great deal of freedom on their own property. More so than when out in the public commons. I believe that a citizen should be secure from government intrusion- particularly unwarranted government intrusion. Gates made his position clear to the officer. He didn't like him being there. He felt like he was being racially profiled or whatever he said. But the point is he made it pretty clear to the officer that he wasn't welcome on his property. I was raised to believe that if someone told you to get off his property you had a moral obligation to do so. And once this officer determined that there was no crime in progress, he should have just left and not worried about whether his law man ego and sensibilities were wounded by Gates' behaviour.

116 posted on 07/30/2009 7:54:18 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
I believe, and it's maybe just silliness on my part, but I was raised to believe that a person has a great deal of freedom on their own property. More so than when out in the public commons.

This is a good point. But if we're going to lay all the facts out here, we should consider a couple of things: (1) Gates doesn't own the home, and (2) I believe Harvard University, which does own the home, does not pay any property taxes on it as a non-profit institution.

If Point (2) is correct, then I think it says a lot about what happened here. Taxpaying citizens probably have far more respect for the people who work for them than do those who don't pay taxes at all.

124 posted on 07/30/2009 7:59:23 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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